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Old 08-08-2017, 05:11 PM
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Well, we kinda knew that if Quaritch was back, it would be as a villain but it seems he'll be the main villain for all 4 (!!) sequels:

Avatar director/writer James Cameron has confirmed that Stephen Lang’s Col. Miles Quaritch will be the main villain throughout all four of the upcoming Avatar sequels.

From JC himself:

“The interesting conceit of the Avatar sequels is it’s pretty much the same characters. There are new characters and a lot of new settings and creatures, so I’m taking characters you know and putting them in unfamiliar places and moving them on this greater journey. But it’s not a whole bunch of new characters every time. There’s not a new villain every time, which is interesting. Same guy. Same mother****er through all four movies. He is so good and he just gets better. I know Stephen Lang is gonna knock this out of the park.”

Now the only question remaining is how the hell will JC resurrect Quaritch.

Here's the link.

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Old 08-08-2017, 05:58 PM
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Now the only question remaining is how the hell will JC resurrect Quaritch.
Given that Wainfleet is also returning I'm becoming convinced that JC intents to retcon the end of the film so that the final battle never happens, perhaps Quaritch was ordered by Earth to evacuate or something.

Perhaps this means Trudy is alive?
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Old 08-08-2017, 06:22 PM
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One thing I keep coming to re: Wainfleet and others who have died in the first movie is a series of flashbacks of the early years on Pandora before the events of the first film.

Time will tell...
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Old 08-09-2017, 07:12 PM
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screenrant is one of the worst 'sources' for movie news, only imdb is worse. ugh.
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Old 08-09-2017, 08:41 PM
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So.... it looks to me like all of the dead villains from the first movie will be returning for the sequels.

Is it possible that the Avatar sequels take place DURING the first Avatar movies? If you watch the Bourne trilogy, there is a major segment of overlap where like the third movie stats before the second movie ends. Could that be what is happening here?

Is it possible that the entire first movie is a dream sequence sent to him by Eywa and Jake is basically going to go through the events of the first movie again, except with fore-knowledge?

Did the events of the first movie still happen and everyone is a clone? Has Earth basically cured death and they're able to resuscitate everyone despite being dead for years?

Quaritch was very definitely died. Two arrows (dipped in a neurotoxin allegedly) straight through the heart will do that. Wainfleet is very definitely died. Getting crushing by a 'angtsėk will do that. I don't know how this is going to work.

The more I hear, the more worried I get.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:11 AM
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So.... it looks to me like all of the dead villains from the first movie will be returning for the sequels.

Is it possible that the Avatar sequels take place DURING the first Avatar movies? If you watch the Bourne trilogy, there is a major segment of overlap where like the third movie stats before the second movie ends. Could that be what is happening here?

Is it possible that the entire first movie is a dream sequence sent to him by Eywa and Jake is basically going to go through the events of the first movie again, except with fore-knowledge?

Did the events of the first movie still happen and everyone is a clone? Has Earth basically cured death and they're able to resuscitate everyone despite being dead for years?

Quaritch was very definitely died. Two arrows (dipped in a neurotoxin allegedly) straight through the heart will do that. Wainfleet is very definitely died. Getting crushing by a 'angtsėk will do that. I don't know how this is going to work.

The more I hear, the more worried I get.
I'm leaning towards the final battle never happening or ending sooner either way RDA evacuates off world but will return years later.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:45 PM
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This seems to be the firsthand source: Link

I have been slightly concerned since hearing all the Stephen Lang/Quaritch related news.

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talking to Empire in our September issue, Cameron reveals that Quaritch won't be relegated to a supporting role or appear solely in flashbacks. Rather, he will continue to menace Jake, Neytiri and the other Na'vi throughout all five movies as the saga's main antagonist.
And now I'm more concerned.

At least I am fairly confident there won't be any logical breach or contrived twist. There are logical explanations for how these two would be alive that do not involve past events being dreams, or anything of the sort. See the old theory that Quaritch (and perhaps now wainfleet) has been covertly driving an avatar during the war of '54. That is a program that could reasonably exist as a branch of the Avatar Program technology into tactical risk management. It would reasonably only involve a few strategically important or higher-up personnel (inasmuch avatars are said to cost several billion and for every random grunt are not economically feasible versus hiring and shipping more employees to replace casualties). The existence of these avatars would also reasonably be kept under wraps from other base personnel, since most troopers are getting shot at and mauled by wildlife for real and knowledge of this program among them could lead to total catastrophic breakdown of the entire SecOps workforce. Thus, it isn't too far fetched that the real Quaritch, and now Wainfleet, are alive.

Now they just have to escape the arrest and evacuation of Hell's Gate personnel and remain on-world. That isn't too difficult if they are, say, driving from a transportable module far away from Hell's Gate that no survivor of the war knows exists.

Setup for this could exist in A1, retrospectively. Quaritch's dying laugh was something oft noticed.

My concern is still that regardless of the integrity of such a twist, any way Quaritch manages to be not (at least corporally) dead after the events of A1 will feel too much like a retcon. Especially due to the incredibly sacred ground status A1 has among fans including myself; I don't imagine retroactive tamperings with the very gravity of events within it will be received well no matter how good a job A2 and onward do with it.

I trust JC nevertheless. I don't entirely trust these guestwriters that have been brought in and I am not hot on the idea of anything Avatar not written solely by Cameron, though I figure that he will keep them chained down pretty good.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:05 PM
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so you're telling me that colonel coffeecup and wainfleet were human clone/avatars driven by their operators somwhere in another linkpod facility or from an orbiting platform or vessel of the rda?! what kind of retcon bs madness is this??? wainfleet got deservedly stomped by the baddest cat on the planet, and now you're telling me that varmit can respawn like a bad character from twilight zone on crack? and the spawn of satan coffeecup too?! geez
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so you're telling me that colonel coffeecup and wainfleet were human clone/avatars driven by their operators somwhere in another linkpod facility or from an orbiting platform or vessel of the rda?! what kind of retcon bs madness is this??? wainfleet got deservedly stomped by the baddest cat on the planet, and now you're telling me that varmit can respawn like a bad character from twilight zone on crack? and the spawn of satan coffeecup too?! geez
lol, these are just suppositions
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Yeah, that's the reaction I have too. I'm hoping that JC throws a curveball/is trolling these people in this interview to some extent, and what we get is nothing like what it suggests.

Going on that Bourne mention and timeline nonlinearity (as in one film not being a direct continuation of another, and thus no implication that an alive Quaritch in A2-A5 must also be alive after the conclusion of A1); well, what if the timeline of every film is the same timeline and what changes is the perspective? What if A1 is only one thread of the story of the War of '54 showing the main arcs of one set of characters? Now we can revisit it from 4 other directions. It would be structural and production hell to pull off and deal with the intersections; the matters of the same characters, the same events, the same scenes now happening seen from other angles and in the background that all need to agree across 5 films; but if anyone would tackle this it is Cameron. It seemingly satisfies every condition. 5 self-contained stories that make sense alone but tessellate. Same characters, unfamiliar places. No flashback-only quaritch. And the two announced Na'vi leads, they fit well with it too.

I would much rather see this sort of thing happen. it would take the legendary detail and depth of the first and keep building further. I think that would be a better fit to what Avatar is all about than a plot continuation.

Also, anyone notice the theme of the number 5? Pentagonal perimeter fence on Hell's Gate and lots of related pentagon imagery on patches and logos and such. 5 films. 5 known toruk makto prior to Jake. Probably coincidental but occasionally when you grasp at a straw it turns out to be solid.
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There are logical explanations for how these two would be alive that do not involve past events being dreams, or anything of the sort. See the old theory that Quaritch (and perhaps now wainfleet) has been covertly driving an avatar during the war of '54. That is a program that could reasonably exist as a branch of the Avatar Program technology into tactical risk management. It would reasonably only involve a few strategically important or higher-up personnel (inasmuch avatars are said to cost several billion and for every random grunt are not economically feasible versus hiring and shipping more employees to replace casualties). The existence of these avatars would also reasonably be kept under wraps from other base personnel, since most troopers are getting shot at and mauled by wildlife for real and knowledge of this program among them could lead to total catastrophic breakdown of the entire SecOps workforce. Thus, it isn't too far fetched that the real Quaritch, and now Wainfleet, are alive.

Now they just have to escape the arrest and evacuation of Hell's Gate personnel and remain on-world. That isn't too difficult if they are, say, driving from a transportable module far away from Hell's Gate that no survivor of the war knows exists.
This has been my thinking as well. Despite calling the avatar program is a "bad joke," it seems like a plausible thing they'd do.
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i am going to have to rewatch Avatar CE in this context of no-expiration-date badguys and clone of Spiderman retcon interludes, as well as listen to the colonel coffeecup 'death rattle laugh/gurgle' a few times in a row. baddies should stay dead, dammit.
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:45 PM
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"colonel coffeecup" ... love that

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Old 08-15-2017, 10:25 PM
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Neytiri does not approve of her pincushion still being relevant in the Avatar Saga.
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^ Great GIF/text pairing.
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