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Old 05-12-2010, 11:19 PM
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Default A comparison between Tsu'tey and Quaritch

Not sure if something similar has been posted but here goes.

I've been thinking, Tsu'tey is a lot more like Quaritch than I first realized. I probably have stirred the Tsu'tey fans with this bold statement but if you give it some though it sort of is true.

You could say both Tsu'tey and Colonel Quaritch are both warriors, the leaders of their armies and both think very much alike in ways.

Both Quaritch and Tsu'tey felt like war was the only way to settle the struggle between humans and the Na'vi. Even when Jake first mentions he was a "warrior" to the Omaticaya, Tsu'tey immediately challenges Jake to a battle but his threat dampened by Eytukan. While Mo'at feels that there's more than violence to be the solution Tsu'tey feels that war is the only option.

This is much like Quaritch here. He doesnt fancy diplomacy too much and he too feels it has to be 'all stick'. Not Tsu'tey nor Quaritch supported peace between the two races. Tsu'tey being mistrusting of humans because of a history of tension and conflict with the RDA and Quaritch because of his duties to see the successful mining of Pandora with or without hostility.

While both of them stood for different reasons, there was a shred of common ground that they shared, and it didnt involve peace.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:38 PM
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Possibly, but I think the main difference is Tsu'tey was trying to protect his people and his home. Quaritch didn't have that.
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Possibly, but I think the main difference is Tsu'tey was trying to protect his people and his home. Quaritch didn't have that.
Quaritch had his mission to protect and in perspective, the human race of Earth and Pandora. Without unobtanium Earth's economy would've collapsed and very soon Earth would become increasingly difficult to be habitable for humans and if Quaritch's forces were defeated, they'd be sent back to Earth to meet the same demise as the rest of the planet's inhabitants.

So Quaritch was equally protecting something important to him.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:54 PM
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Quaritch's only job was, to quote him, "to keep you alive", but he forgot that and become fixed on revenge.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:03 AM
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Quaritch's only job was, to quote him, "to keep you alive", but he forgot that and become fixed on revenge.
That is true. You could also put forward the argument that Tsu'tey had some payback in mind too when in the battle at the end, considering Tsu'tey would be pretty angry at the RDA's encroachment towards Hometree and their decimation of the Tree of Voices. I'd be pretty pissed if someone did that to my home.
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Tsu'Tey was fighting for his life, family, and home. Quaritch was fighting for a paycheck.

and I still like Tsu'tey more.
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Tsu'Tey was fighting for his life, family, and home. Quaritch was fighting for a paycheck.

and I still like Tsu'tey more.
I don't agree with this, he was not a corporate goon.
It was not about the money, but the sense of mission.
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Old 05-16-2010, 12:58 PM
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In terms of their general attitude, Quaritch and Tsu-tey are the same.

But in therms of character, I do not believe they are.

Quaritch is consumed by pride. I believe that he wants to show that he, and humans in general, are superior to the Na'vi. This is specifically demonstrated at the end when he chooses to fight Jake at the end even though the battle was lost and Jake even gave him an opportunity to walk away.

Tsu'tey on the other hand seems quite the opposite. When Jake becomes Toruk-Makto, Tsu-tey seems to accept Jke without any sort of jealousy. Even when Jake mates with Neytiri, he seems more upset by the fact that a Dreamwalker has mated with a Na'vi than by the fact that Jake has mated with his betrothed. At least that was my perception. And finally, when Neytiri defends Jake's unconscious body, he chooses not to fight. A man with pride would have attacked Neytiri.

Quaritch is more than anything else a manipulatior. He tries to manipulate everyone around him to do his bidding and make them depend on him. There are four main examples of this:

1) When doing the briefing to the new-arrivals, Quaritch stresses, and perhaps even over-exagerates, the dangers of Pandora while stating that he is the one who will keep them alive. He is making them depend on him through fear.
2) He convinces Jake to spy for him. This time using the using a mixture of false friendship and the promise of a reward.
3) He convinces Selfride to attack Hometree, although it is clear Selrfide is not convinced. He convinces Selfridge by promising a reward, i.e. an easy and painless victory.
4) When the Na'vi forces are massing, he uses belligrent langauge to convicne his comrades and colleagues that all out war is the only way for them to survive. In other words, again he uses fear to get his own way.

There is no real evidence that Tsu-tey is manipulative. In fact, Tsu-tey is very straight-forward. In fact, the Na'vi in general seem to be quite naive to the concepts of politics and maipulation, at least what we saw of them.
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In fact, the Na'vi in general seem to be quite naive to the concepts of politics and maipulation, at least what we saw of them.
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In terms of their general attitude, Quaritch and Tsu-tey are the same.

But in therms of character, I do not believe they are.

Quaritch is consumed by pride. I believe that he wants to show that he, and humans in general, are superior to the Na'vi. This is specifically demonstrated at the end when he chooses to fight Jake at the end even though the battle was lost and Jake even gave him an opportunity to walk away.

Tsu'tey on the other hand seems quite the opposite. When Jake becomes Toruk-Makto, Tsu-tey seems to accept Jke without any sort of jealousy. Even when Jake mates with Neytiri, he seems more upset by the fact that a Dreamwalker has mated with a Na'vi than by the fact that Jake has mated with his betrothed. At least that was my perception. And finally, when Neytiri defends Jake's unconscious body, he chooses not to fight. A man with pride would have attacked Neytiri.

Quaritch is more than anything else a manipulatior. He tries to manipulate everyone around him to do his bidding and make them depend on him. There are four main examples of this:

1) When doing the briefing to the new-arrivals, Quaritch stresses, and perhaps even over-exagerates, the dangers of Pandora while stating that he is the one who will keep them alive. He is making them depend on him through fear.
2) He convinces Jake to spy for him. This time using the using a mixture of false friendship and the promise of a reward.
3) He convinces Selfride to attack Hometree, although it is clear Selrfide is not convinced. He convinces Selfridge by promising a reward, i.e. an easy and painless victory.
4) When the Na'vi forces are massing, he uses belligrent langauge to convicne his comrades and colleagues that all out war is the only way for them to survive. In other words, again he uses fear to get his own way.

There is no real evidence that Tsu-tey is manipulative. In fact, Tsu-tey is very straight-forward. In fact, the Na'vi in general seem to be quite naive to the concepts of politics and maipulation, at least what we saw of them.
A very valid point and good comparison.

Yeah I also think that Tsu'tey is more a straight-up kinda guy while Quaritch is, as you stated, more than anything else, manipulative.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:06 AM
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Innocent. The Na'vi are innocent, in both senses of the word.

Although, it does raise the question of Na'vi warfare. If they have warriors, then there must be some kind of fighting between the clans. Human tribes do raid each other, and sometimes there's animosity between tribes (in fact, that was one major reason why whites were able to invade so successfully--divide and conquer).

Nevertheless, the Na'vi are defending. Humans are invading. Wars of aggression, especially against a far weaker nation, are a jerky thing to do.
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Possibly, but I think the main difference is Tsu'tey was trying to protect his people and his home. Quaritch didn't have that.
That is exactly what sepreates RDA Soliders from Na'vi Warriors. The Warriors fight for clan, Family and Home. The Soliders Just fight because they were told to do so and they will get the Check for Doing it. When My father saw Avatar, he Exclaimed that Quaract is not a true solider when Jake told Quarach he would go though with the cermony of becoming a man so there could be nagotioations for peace. My Dad says that a True solider always chooses peace whenever nessary.
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