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Old 05-01-2010, 08:20 PM
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Since the "What are your religious beliefs and why?" thread turned out being an Christian-Atheist discussion; at least I want people to discuss it properly here.

So, why we believe (or not) in God?
Does God exist, is there any proof of that; or is it just a matter of blind faith?
Do things like the transcendence issue or the afterlife influence in this creed?
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Old 05-01-2010, 08:34 PM
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Since the "What are your religious beliefs and why?" thread turned out being an Christian-Atheist discussion; at least I want people to discuss it properly here.

So, why we believe (or not) in God?
Does God exist, is there any proof of that; or is it just a matter of blind faith?
Do things like the transcendence issue or the after-life influence in this creed?
Well the "what are your beliefs" thread didn't have to turn into a Christian/Atheist debate. I'm not happy that it did. But anyway, as for as your questions. Here are my views on it:

Why we believe in God?

I believe in God because I look around me and I think, there must be a reason for all of this. I believe in God because I know He is there. I know that isn't much of an answer but I believe there must be a transcendent being out there. So, I believe in Him.

I believe that God exists. Is there any scientific proof that He exists? Possibly. There are some inferences that can be made but since I believe that God is outside of space and time then it probably wouldn't do much good to try to verify His existence by scientific experiment.

Transcendence does have a part to play so does the afterlife. But, I think it honestly comes down to love. I believe that God is LOVE itself. I also believe that each of us were created for love. Was it done in the course of millions of years and evolutionary steps? Perhaps. Still, after all of that, it was done out of love.

It does come down to faith. Not blind faith. There is a difference. The belief in God comes from a reasoned faith. The belief also isn't contingent on the Bible or some other written word. The belief is innate in all of us. This is my belief on it. I know there are those who do not believe this. Ok. But this is some of my reasons to believe in God. I choose to. I believe in God because of love. I know He created me for love. I know that He loves me, in spite of everything. I believe that all He wants is for us to love Him in return. We were made for LOVE.

These are my reasons.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:27 PM
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I haven't read that thread, but I'll reply to this one.

I don't believe in any gods. I don't claim to know the answers to any of the big questions, but if someone makes extraordinary claims about the existence of a supernatural being, the rational thing to do seems to be to dismiss these claims.

To use a Douglas Adams quote from The God Delusion:

'Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?'
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because god was with what humanity back in the stoneage when they developed a consciousness and got aware of themselves and their surroundings and started asking questions , came up with in order to answer what they couldn't understand , like the weather (thunder,storms etc.) .

it's simply a simplyfication , now you might think we should be far beyond that kind of mentality , making a flying man with a white beard in the sky responsible for all the misery or all the good happening around us , but well we rather decided to keep following that idea and to use the idea of this flying dude in the sky to massacre and rob from each other since the whole thing started .

Some people might argue "Oh,religion isn't that bad afterall since it's doing good too" ,but then I repy , there is probably nothing good that religion has ever done that could ever weigh up to the millions of dead people it has on it's account .

Now to the "does god exist" question , let's just think about that for a second , 2000 years ago a jewish man comes along and claimes he's the son of god , and has been sent from him to make all people believe in him and his "values" , well..

Now what if I would come along these days and claim I'm the son of the flying spaghettimonster and am here to make people believe in it and follow it's values , I would probably earn nothing but laughter , I hope you are getting the point here that actually everyone could claim that there is a higher being and he's actually sent by it , but where in "gods" name is the evindence for his existance ?

As long "god" (if he exists) doesn't show up and clear things up I'll remain with my ideas of life , and probably even if he existed ( he probably doesn't) I'd still not care about him , since it's not the way I want to live my life .

In fact there is probably no god ,not in the way we've been told "he" exists, we are our own gods , we create and devastate every day , maybe not in a large scale , but the sum of our all actions is large scaled which makes the sum of humanity to a part of what I consider as "god" , which is nature .

If anybody felt offended by my way of thinking , I'm not a guy who intends to offend people , I just say things the way I feel about them and I don't want to force anybody into a certain direction ,everyone is free to believe into everything he desires , even if it's the goddamn spaghettimonster .
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You're referencing to Dawkins' analogy with that monster.
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Old 05-02-2010, 05:06 AM
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World religions make me laugh when I read what their gods command humans to do.

I'm not atheist, I have my own beliefs, but I have yet to find some structured religion that I like.
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You're referencing to Dawkins' analogy with that monster.
haha ye , I've heard of it before from a friend , I thought it would make my point clear referring to religion .
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I'm not sure there is a single word for what I believe so i'll just explain.

I don't believe in a 'god' per-se, rather that there is something behind mere chemical process. But not a concious deity of any kind, rather a life-force or an inner-soul, a kind of universal energy if you will. For example, take emotion. (A favourite of mine...) No amount of scientific explanation can tell you what it feels like to be depressed or ecstatic, what it's like to see the world through those lenses, you have to feel and see them to understand them.

I also believe somewhat in a karma-type system. If you give only generosity and understanding to everyone and everything you encounter, you will eventually get the same in return. If you don't, it doesn't really matter, because inside you know that you have not negatively effected anyone or anything.

Furthermore, I do not believe in an afterlife, but I do believe your 'energy' goes back into the 'universal system' if you like...

This also begs the question, if I follow this belief system for my entire life, but do not believe that God exists but when I die, it turns out he, along with all the other Christian teachings of heaven/hell etc do indeed exist... Would I go to hell, despite being a good person for my lifetime? This is a question that has always plagued me.

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Edit: I believe I may have mistaken this for another "what are your beliefs" thread. I aplogogise. But I will say this. No, there is no scientific proof for what I believe but I find it difficult for someone to tell me that what they're feeing is just electrical signals and chemical reactions.

I find it difficult to empathise with people who believe in a single embodied deity as (as I have just stated) I don't believe in such a thing... It's a little farfetched for me, but then again the same could be said about what I believe. I just accept that people believe what they believe. If you believe in the spaghetti monster, hey, it works for you so go for it. As long as it means you are generally a "good" person (although again, in another belief, the word good could carry another connotation) i'm cool with it.
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Humanity always seeks to explain.

Before we had real understanding, we came up with explanations for things beyond our knowledge. Look at explanations for the day/night cycle, or stars, or the nature of the earth (spherical, heliocentric solar system). Even religious people accept scientific explanations for them now. Belief in a creator is the same thing, it's just one of the few elements that has remained. In a way, it's an anachronism.
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I respect him hugely, but he wasn't always right. Hawking proved that.
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I respect him hugely, but he wasn't always right. Hawking proved that.
That's true. Einstein seemed to have a strong dislike for quantum theory, even though his own ideas helped in its development. Einstein also had interesting views on religion; though, it annoyed him when his views were used to support atheism or theistic ideas of god. I would say Einstein was probably a pantheist, someone who saw the beauty of nature and the wonders of the universe as his spirituality.
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I believe in a God which isn't related to the real God, I believe in Gaia/ Eywa or whatever. Many people on Earth think that God is an old bearded man with a light behind the head and wearing white cleaned clothes. All this interpretation of religion since the main religion splitted in the year 1054 a.Chr brought wars and crisis and most of the negative factors which pulled down humanity, missunderstanding.
More worshipers are neglecting the fact that science always was and will stand before religion cause it proves materially. And Gaia does it all, it represents perfection all around us (excepting artificial interventions made by human), just when you look at a spiral of a tornado or hurricane, the shape of a mountain or species diversity of fauna and flora. We can't live in community with Gaia cause we are driven by money and materialist influence, well, not us here, but the people out there would kill for money and self caring. We soon will find out that there is more than meets the eye with our existence and we will "climb" to a spiritual level sooner than we think , imo.
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Im at the very basic agnostic. Im very skeptical about religion but I dont believe in disregarding it altogether. Im naturally mistrusting when it comes to Blind Faith, I very rarely just believe in something without understanding it further or looking for logical reasoning within it.

Which makes me mistrusting of religion, I like the idealism behind it but dont take it for its word completely (actually very rarely).

But it's always good to put a little faith in religion. I dont see any harm in believing there's life after death and that it doesnt end for me completely when I die.
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:03 AM
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I believe in God because it suits me. I am a person who requires a certain level of spirituality so I choose to believe in God (or Goddess in my case). In the end, my life is better because I believe in God.

Since i am also agnostic, I aslo accept that no god may be a possibility. But since my religious beliefs do not influence the way I live (since i don't believe in scripture or any sort of religious dogma), believing in God does not harm. I prefer to live in a warm Universe where God exits, than a cold empty atheist Universe. In the end, if God doesn't exist, I haven't lost anything anyway.
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