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Several weeks ago I stumbled upon these videos in my ongoing search for answers to the universe and religion. Please discuss me your thoughts.

YouTube - Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (1of 3)

YouTube - Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (2 of 3)

YouTube - Zeitgeist [Religion] The Greatest Story Ever Sold (3 of 3)
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Old 05-02-2010, 04:33 PM
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I suggest you locate Mune and Eltu about this topic. They are very insightful when it comes to religion!

What are YOUR thoughts on it?
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Im not trying to spark a debate, im just trying to get people to question their beliefs once in awhile. I fell in love with these videos and it eventually sparked my interest in the zeitgeist movement.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:11 PM
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No one's going to question their beliefs from a few videos on YouTube. Trust me, I've questioned mine many times. Many times.

If your goal is to change people's minds, you oughta know it's kind of a losing battle. Don't think yourself wise and enlightened just because you're part of a minority. There are Matrixists that think the same way about themselves.

...And I recommend you start studying religions at all from a positive perspective instead of a negative one. That way you get an education, not an indoctrination. I've studied various aspects of Islam, for example, and as a specifically followed belief, it's quite peaceful. A bit strict, but peaceful. Buddhism is another example of a level, friendly religion. So is Mormonism.

I may strongly disagree with many aspects of the above, but I understand them, at least. And because I understand, I show some respect.
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There will come a day when no one believes in god and religions become a minority. If no one believes in god, he wont exist. I see no evidence supporting any god or gods and much more evidence supporting evolution and the big bang. We will someday come to understand the universe and when that day comes religion will become a minority and eventually extinct.
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I've seen the Zeitgeist movies quite a while ago , you can follow back the story of all the prophets , may it be Jesus/Mohammed etc. back to the babylon times , they all refer to their prophet being the son of the sun , dying , then reincarnating after 3 days , actually what you can read in the quran or the bible today , is just a nice copied story from over thousand of years before Jesus was even born , even the egyptian religion relied on the same story .

I think religion is probably the biggest deal the mighty people ever did , it there to make the people submissive , taking them by their striving for hope and promist them eternal peace IF they follow the rules of their "god(s)" which are technically nothing more than orders in how to substain a society that is narrow-minded and blindly following it's "religious" leaders , it's simply and age old instrument which is used to drain the willpower from people and to take away their ability to use their own minds with planting the seat of descent into their minds .

In my oppinion , religion , the way it has been practiced throughout the centuries is a plague , probably the worst mankind had to suffer under , technically the ideas of what the religious leaders praise in their books wouldn't be too bad , if they would actually turn them into action ,but as far as I can tell , that never happened .
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There will come a day when no one believes in god and religions become a minority. If no one believes in god, he wont exist. I see no evidence supporting any god or gods and much more evidence supporting evolution and the big bang. We will someday come to understand the universe and when that day comes religion will become a minority and eventually extinct.
Wrong.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with that. Religions are more a social and cultural matter rather than a spiritual one; hence why they might disappear as time passes by or other newer beliefs take over them. I personally highly doubt a man appeared from nowhere and said "I feel funny today, let's make the Universe". Or anybody has been enlightened by that being. The main argument I use for them is that their God is not obvious, to meet it you need to read about it. Being God such a powerful force, shouldn't it be present anywhere? Shouldn't it be obvious?

It is.

But not as we are told.

God is for me two things: a guide and a model. I created my God (this sounds controversial I know) from the values I've been taught and I consider important: love, justice, freedom, equality, fraternity, respect,... And when I am in a difficult situation, I act in accordance to those values.

For me, God is not a Creator, neither a punishing, benevolent or even acting being. God for me is simply the good remaining in me. God for me is Good. God for me is Truth.

And as long as people seeks God (taking it as Jesus, prophet Muhammad or just a group of values), they will look for Truth and Good. There are many ways to reach God.

Religion will pass. God won't, at least, as long as humanity remains on Earth.

And yes, I hate the people who break their poverty vows and use religion in order to live in great villas, have a great car or simply take advantage of the persons who seek their God. And the hypocrites who will just go mass to seem moral people and then act like real bastards in home.

Religion nowadays is focused on tradition and rites, rather than the actual search of the previous mentioned God.

John 2, 16 - "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

Did I already say how much I love to still use Biblical quotes?

Anyway, what I don't like either is the people who will automatically disqualify a religion without even questioning their "raison d'ętre".
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Wrong.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with that. Religions are more a social and cultural matter rather than a spiritual one; hence why they might disappear as time passes by or other newer beliefs take over them. I personally highly doubt a man appeared from nowhere and said "I feel funny today, let's make the Universe". Or anybody has been enlightened by that being. The main argument I use for them is that their God is not obvious, to meet it you need to read about it. Being God such a powerful force, shouldn't it be present anywhere? Shouldn't it be obvious?

It is.

But not as we are told.

God is for me two things: a guide and a model. I created my God (this sounds controversial I know) from the values I've been taught and I consider important: love, justice, freedom, equality, fraternity, respect,... And when I am in a difficult situation, I act in accordance to those values.

For me, God is not a Creator, neither a punishing, benevolent or even acting being. God for me is simply the good remaining in me. God for me is Good. God for me is Truth.

And as long as people seeks God (taking it as Jesus, prophet Muhammad or just a group of values), they will look for Truth and Good. There are many ways to reach God.

Religion will pass. God won't, at least, as long as humanity remains on Earth.

And yes, I hate the people who betray their poverty vows and use religion in order to live in great villas, have a great car or simply take advantage of the persons who seek their God. And the hypocrites who will just go mass to seem moral people and then act like real bastards in home.

Religion nowadays is focused on tradition and rites, rather than the actual search of the previous mentioned God.

John 2, 16 - "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

Did I already say how much I love to still use Biblical quotes?



Zenit, thank you . You said pretty much what I would have said (with some differences of course). I especially agree with your quote here,

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Anyway, what I don't like either is the people who will automatically disqualify a religion without even questioning their "raison d'ętre".
I think that it is helpful to come to an understanding of each other's beliefs. It helps to come out of our comfort zones and get to know others who we would normally not know. In that case, it eases the suspicions and misunderstandings that people have of each other's beliefs.

Religion will not go away. It hasn't in thousands of years so I don't see it going away anytime soon because in my view religion/faith is an innate expression in all humans. That is why it has lasted as long as it has and it is not letting up at all.
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I meant religion as the collection of rites, dogmatic and cultural elements that determine a belief. The "artificial" elements we add to the "natural" need of God we have, perhaps to make the thing more interesting (?). Those will change all over the time, some will disappear and some will be created; but the need will remain.

Meaning God as the previous mentioned Truth and Good we all look for when we mature.
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Wrong, god will exist until we find the real answers. At that point god will no longer be necessary. Religion may not dissappear but it will certainly decrease. We will eventually find the answers to all of the big questions, and neither god nor any gods can stop that.
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Wrong, god will exist until we find the real answers. At that point god will no longer be necessary. Religion may not dissappear but it will certainly decrease. We will eventually find the answers to all of the big questions, and neither god nor any gods can stop that.
You seem to be like the self-proclaimed anti-god avenger around here... No one else is as arrogant as you are on this subject, and I mean that in a totally honest, respectable way.
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I dont see how that was arrogant at all.
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I dont see how that was arrogant at all.
You act arrogant when you pretend your thoughts are superior to the rest. If you think Atheism is better than any religion, that's arrogance.

I can understand your opposition to organized religion, taking it as an object used by the powerful ones to manipulate the masses or take advantage of them; but not your crusade against God.

God is not for me an excuse to fill in the gaps science hasn't filled yet. For me it's simply a being I made myself and take as a model, which is exactly superior because she (I like to take it as a female goddess) represents the perfect values I try to reach.

However, I believe giving God a greater role, apart from the moral guide one, would have no real basis or proof apart from the given by the Holy Scriptures.
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I never claimed my thoughts to be superior nor my religion.
Whether you understand it or not doesnt bother me, im pretty what you would call anti god or anti religion, im a somewhat radical athiest. And im proud.
You dont seem to be much of a believer in god as an invisible man but as something like eywa, which i have often considered at times.
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