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Old 06-09-2010, 06:39 PM
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I wanted to post something about Cannabis mainly to see what peoples opinions are on it but also as a debating point of wether it is bad or good.
I was a bit unsure at first but since I feel pretty comfortable with people in this forum I though I'd give it a try.

As a Medicine
I have done a little research into Cannabis and found conflicting results. I have read about studies (sorry I cannot source them at the moment) where it could have potential for treating certain illnesses (cancer and ME for example). But the problem is some research shows that cannabis can exacerbate some mental health conditions (schizophrenia as an example). The thing is the chance of a bad reaction seems to be small in comparison to the potential benefits. I believe the health benefits may out weight the negatives, we just need further research into this area.

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In regards to wether it is bad to use as a recreational substance I personally haven't got a problem using it. Research in the UK by the Government drugs council have rated cannabis less dangerous than smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol. I look at is as something that relaxes and can stimulate your imagination, something that brings a little of the mystical into everyday life. That's probably why some native tribes and many other groups in the past have used it in a spiritual sense. It has even been used as a medicine to these kind of people. I understand that some people will not agree that you have to use anything to gain insight or relaxation, but this is why I think we should have the choice to do so or not instead of being criminalized and locked away fro something that does no harm to others and very little to yourself in general.

I'm going to leave it at that as I'm not the best at debating but thought I'd give it a try. Hopefully other can add to this and maybe enlighten myself and other regarding this subject. I can understand that some people simply do not want anything to do with it and that's fine, each to their own.

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Old 06-09-2010, 07:05 PM
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Yeah it brings out some inspiration indeed, but I found that in my case, smoking too much makes me not experience the thing as before, it gets kinda washed out and I think there is something else to be considered - you get drunk, next day alcohol probably won't be as appealing, but I can smoke weed all day all week and never get in the "enough" state. But that's just my experience.
I don't think it's more 'dangerous' or 'bad' than alcohol, but it gets sometimes kinda unpredictable given the amount of % THC in the weed these days.

/waiting for someone to chime in, "hey dude that is so not true, in my experience..."
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:10 PM
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Cannabis also can also be woven making a good natural fabric. However, as any other tool, the use we make from the plant will determine whether it's bad or good.

Smoking cannabis nowadays wouldn't have any "religious" or "spiritual" uses; it will probably become something just for entertainment that can easily be used in excess. And it can be less dangerous, but it's quite much more addictive than cigarettes. And that leads to schizophrenia, amnesia,...

Any drug is addictive. But cannabis is extremely dangerous because it is very addictive, and the little harm it may produce is increased by the number of times you smoke it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:23 PM
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Well I don't think it's physically addictive, I've been smoking for years daily and when I got bored of it, I just quit and was ok. My friend started smoking cigarettes in about the same time I started to smoke cannabis, and when I quit, he was trying to quit.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:28 PM
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Don't care which it is, all I know is that it's good shiit.
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Psychodelics are how we make tsaheylu on Earth. Natural psychodelics like marijuana and ayahuasca are how we get in touch with our spiritual sides, and reach levels of enlightenment that our egos prevent us from reaching when we are in our average, sober states. Criminalizing things like this is just another way that humanity has disconnected itself from nature.

These things have been natural medicines for thousands of years (ayahuasca has even been called "the medicine"). The only reason they're illegal is because they don't follow white man's laws.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:45 PM
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I don't like any drugs, I even try to avoid medication as much as I can. No aspirin when I got a headache, for example; I try to eat something sweet instead so my brain has enough glucose to work with.

I just want to be OK without being dependent of pills or plants or anything. So even if it's just a recreational harmless substance, I'd rather have fun in other ways.

But that's me, I'm a weirdo.
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I'm more ambivalent toward it. I know that it can cause problems but so can nicotine and alcohol. I think that the total restriction of it might not be the best solution since there are practical and medicinal uses for it. I think it should be used as medicine and the hemp should be used for clothing, rope, etc. Its a natural substance and like with everything else should be treated with some care and respect. Alcohol is abused all the time yet it isn't wrong to drink it. I think that here in the US we over react to stuff to much. We tried prohibition before and that just led to other problems.

I think one of the dangers is that some of these narcotic drugs are not in their pure form. Other stuff is added to it making it very dangerous. I'm not sure if this is the case with cannabis or not though.
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I'm just curious. What exactly Cannabis does? Used properly and in excess.

If it's so harmless as you say I cannot honestly understand why its use is banned.
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I'm just curious. What exactly Cannabis does? Used properly and in excess.

If it's so harmless as you say I cannot honestly understand why its use is banned.
It's banned because during the prohibition people still needed a way to get their buzz, so they started smoking weed. I don't remember exactly, but I believe Mexicans kept coming into the US during that time to sell their goods, and the government didn't want em, so they put out these ridiculous campaigns against marijuana saying it makes you go insane etc..
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rapunzel77: yeah I never attempted to grow any, but it's my understanding that most of the stuff nowadays is grown under strong UV lights and lost of chemicals in the soil, so it has a lot more THC per gram than it would ever have grown the 'natural way'.

ZenitYerkes: it slows you down man
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It's banned because during the prohibition people still needed a way to get their buzz, so they started smoking weed. I don't remember exactly, but I believe Mexicans kept coming into the US during that time to sell their goods, and the government didn't want em, so they put out these ridiculous campaigns against marijuana saying it makes you go insane etc..
^^ this is actually what much of the educated anti prohibitionists beleive. After much reading and researh on the subject this is my beleif as well. At the time that it was initially outlawed in the US they were saying that weed did some pretty ludricrous things. Even those against it's use know much of the reasoning back then was complete nonsense.
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Wait, it might be less harming than tobacco or alcohol, but that doesn't mean it's not harmful at all. I've done some research myself, it seems it produces chronic brain diseases in the long term.

But there is so much propaganda from both sides I cannot see what it actually does -unless I experience it myself. Is there anyone neutral here?
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Wait, it might be less harming than tobacco or alcohol, but that doesn't mean it's not harmful at all. I've done some research myself, it seems it produces chronic brain diseases in the long term.

But there is so much propaganda from both sides I cannot see what it actually does -unless I experience it myself. Is there anyone neutral here?
Seriously, I'm sure you know someone who smokes, just smoke a joint with them and you'll know, I'm sure they'll be obliging.

Long term it has never been proven to cause permanent damage aside from minor lung damage(no smoke is good for yah), and that's only if people smoke a LOT of it.
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my uncle is a heavy smoker for 30 years lol, I don't think he has any brain damage xD
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