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Old 07-22-2010, 08:41 PM
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So what is it that Avatar give you , what do you think were the points that were dramatically changed about your image of life , your mentality ?

Do you even value it for what it really is , or is Avatar only a phase for you , something that gave you a new "push" , I've seen tons of people saying "Avatar is the best movie ever , I learned alot through it ." but I can't quite believe some of them , still something seems to match , but will it sustain , or will it slowly fade away over time , and people will fall back into their daily routine ?

..but is it even a movie ?

Didn't James Cameron just use the medium film to spread a philosophic view on life , awareness on one side and the ability to self-reflect on the other , I'm pretty sure he made it to be more than just a continous line of pictures , just another action movie for the masses , someone who has already a ton of money doesn't have the need to make more , J.C. used his wealth to educate , in a way people can understand things more easily , with fun but also with shockingly true facts .

Avatar in the end , is a self-portray of humanity , the species in one , it may be debateable if humanity is portrayed in one way or another , obviously it shows alot of dark aspects about ourselves , it's blatantly honest about our acting in the world we are living in , it's blatant about how we think about life , but it also is blatant about what we are missing , we are missing shame and compassion towards other living things , we follow the rule of conquer and rule , following the path of profit and possession , but we remain only a small part of this world and have to realize this fact .

Even though Avatar shows that we have the possibility to swap sides , to act through our conscious that will show us the right way , we are both , destroyers and creators , but in the end the creator will defeat the destroyer , that's what Avatar shows , we have the potential to get the stone rolling and develope into an avalanche of the human concscience .

"In the beginning there was man , and for a time it was good , but humanities so called civil societies soon fell victim to vanity and corruption , then man made the machine in his own likeness , thus would man become the arcitect of his own demise , but for a time it was good"
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:18 PM
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It gave me a human view massege. After it I've been thinking on how we live today and Question if it was by achevment or by consiquence from greed and other flaws. I don't think Human life style is totally wrong, it's just that I slip into deep question on Human socity and life style.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:24 PM
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Avatar was made to wake people up. Hence that repeated quote.
Wake up to climate change of course. And they're actually slowly starting to do something.

Example: Here, in Australia, we have an election coming up. Julia Gillard, the first female PM, promises that she will make widespread changes to power, eg more solar energy.

Plus, they had all these ads on about a health reform.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by fkeua vrrtep View Post
So what is it that Avatar give you , what do you think were the points that were dramatically changed about your image of life , your mentality ?

Do you even value it for what it really is , or is Avatar only a phase for you , something that gave you a new "push" , I've seen tons of people saying "Avatar is the best movie ever , I learned alot through it ." but I can't quite believe some of them , still something seems to match , but will it sustain , or will it slowly fade away over time , and people will fall back into their daily routine ?
Avatar is not "only a phase" for me. Now, there may come a time when it's not on my mind every day of every week, but the things that it has made me do will stick with me.

The necessity of compassion is one thing you mentioned, and that is one thing that will stick with me. I had this in my mind before Avatar, but the movie has made me pursue it more. I try to be compassionate and understanding towards everyone and everything. I attempt to look at myself and others through the perspective of others. I remove myself from the center of the universe and place myself somewhere around it, amongst the metaphoric cogs and gears that drive our experience of existence.

I believe compassion is related to environmental awareness, and that is another thing I am more motivated to do after watching Avatar. I use a bicycle around my city, I minimize water and electricity usage as much as I can... However, there are still many more things I could do to help out in this respect. I am sure there are habits of mine that still need to be changed and I am probably deserving of the title of hypocrite. Not to rationalize my hypocrisy, but at least I am aware of it and am open to suggestions from those who are more environmentally aware than me.

There is also another way that Avatar has (positively) affected me, though it is rather personal and I'm not quite at liberty to write about it here.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:12 AM
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Avatar had a huge message, it did literally change my life...
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:49 PM
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It was an interesting concept, but I don't think my life philosophies have really changed, since Avatar doesn't really offer anything tangible in that way. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think there's really anything I can learn from the movie that I wouldn't already know, since it's essentially a reminder how things are and how they should be, and that's something I don't like to think about.

Avatar is an entertaining movie with educational flavor, that is forgotten over time. But can it really be anything more than that?
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:19 AM
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I think Avatar was mostly a movie indeed, but it carried several messages, most of them rather bluntly put (like "dont destroy nature"), others more hidden. It heavily used symbolism and colors to influence or "wake up" people (notice how often analogies to dreaming and waking up come up in the movie).
Waking up people is something the movie did, but not on a large scale as one could believe. Basically it works only on people who alreday have the fitting mindset, this is how things always work - you never can convert someone to think the opposite not even with arguments. You can only tell people who think in the fitting direction already that they are not alone, that what they do matters and that what they think is right.
So that is what Avatar did to me. It basically gave me the initiative to get off my lazy butt and put the pieces of the puzzle together that are scattered in my own past, in my own thinking as well as in the thinking and writing of other people. Avatar did not change my mind but it incited action in me - it incited that I went into my mind and see what is there and to shape an image from the pieces there together with what I see in the world. And believe me, I was surprised to see what emerged and still cannot really cope well with it, so in a way, you could argue that Avatar did change my life in the end, but not by its message or my giving me information that was not already there but by driving me towards exploring and spending time thinking on what the big picture is.

That kind of effect I think is never just a phase - for those who dream only about Ikrans and biolumie plants and Neytiri and maybe think about recycling a little more - for them it may be a phase that can be replaced by new ideas at some time. But for those who started to think about their own life, connected it with what is going on in the world by the metaphorical capacities of Avatar - the effect will last long as it no longer needs the movie at some point. I have not seen Avatar for months and my journey is not even close to an end.

Another thing Avatar did was to connect real problems with emotions. When was the last time people cried over a tree or felt wonder for life itself or felt anger at people deforesting. I mean truely strong emotions. People in this culture are trained to shut this out - they have to or they'd be in a state of peril all the time. Avatar allowed people to cry and be emotional about the felling of a tree, the exodus of native people, the war they wage on civilization and the beauty of nature. If that emotions prevail beyond the movie, this is also an effect it has. It may lead to depression (if the realization strikes that this world is beeing destroyed) or it may lead to happiness (if one realizes that there still is nature left and it is worth protecting), but in any case beeing emotional about this is important. Avatar made people more emotional about the issues we are facing on this planet and emotion gives a lot more power than rationalizing these things.

A rational solution is to build clean power plants, a emotional solution is to stop wasting energy and thereby reduce the requirement to build new plants. A rational solution is to set thresholds: allow only some clearcutting, allow only 90% of the big fish in the ocean to die, allow 350 CO2 in the atmosphere - the emotions however will tell you that clearcutting and dying fish and CO2 in the air is a bad idea in general and no threshold applies to emotions. It is important that people react more emotionally - more humany to what is going on and I think Avatar brought such emotions back to many people.
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