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Old 09-06-2010, 03:55 AM
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Ok this debate is going to be a thought in process .. meaning I haven't quite figured out yet what it is and how I want to have a consultation regarding this topic. Technically it doesn't have to be in the debate section, but I figured it could start off here, just is case!

Clear as mud!

Ok What I'm proposing and since I'm no scholar, not sure I'll get my thought point across, but the gist of where I want this thread to go is .. to discuss Avatar COMPLETELY AS AN INWARD JOURNEY! Meaning forget any and all references to the outside world, and only discuss how it relates to the journey of ones soul from Ignorance to Enlightenment. In other words this is a PHILISOPHICAL Discussion and all references to Philosophy, etc are welcomed!

So that means that every thing and CHARACTER in Avatar has to been seen as a PART ON YOUR SELF! Especially including Neytiri, Jake and the RDA~!

Right now I wish that I was any one of inumerable articulate and eloquent essay writers on this Forum, whom could have put and alreay preambled much more thoroughly what I'm getting at, and should any of you want to do so and restart this thread on this topic PLEASE DO SO!

So the starting points ---

The dreaming to fly = the innate longing in all us wanting our spirits to be free and soar.

Death of twin brother = the death or movement away from that part of self and behaviors that are rooted in attachment to the material world and all of the lower nature qualities that it creates.

Cremation = burning away of the old ego

Six years in stasis while making the journey to Pandora = the transition stage often through a 'void' empty or numb place within ourselves, as we leave the old world behind, but have not yet arrived at the new.

Arrival in the 'new world' = upon entering into a new state of awareness at the beginning of this journey we view the new as both alien and with fascination.

The nothing like the talk = even though we thought we have left the old self behind and all of our old perspectives, instead we find that we are transposing them and still applying them in our new journey of self!


OK - by now most will have gotten the gist of the direction of the general concept of this tread.

So let the dialogue begin!



The bright side of this for me .. is yeah ..now i think I will be able to watch it again without triggering PAD, but instead be able to see it in a whole new light! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:34 AM
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I love it Mika, nice work.

"Where's the PhD who trained for this mission?" "He's dead." = The death of the rationalizing mind as preparation for undergoing a spiritual journey from a place of innocence.

"This is great" = The elation at experiencing life from a completely new point of view.

Running, eating fruit = The sense of being reborn in that new point of view.

Returning to the avatar capsule: Returning to the old point of view feels like a coffin, a prison. (BTW, notice the similarity between (a) the cremation chamber, (b) the cryo chamber, and (c) the avatar pod?)
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:35 PM
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I don't have time unfortunately to post all of my impressions of this topic. (Right up my alley by the way).
I have to go to work right now and submerse myself in the real world.
One thing I do want to say is that any story of a hero is an inward journey. It dates back to the Greeks and follows us through to now. We can all connect to these kinds of stories because we do see ourselves, and our journey's through life paralleled in the characters.

The RDA represents the outside world distracting us with material gains and destroying our connection to ourselves and our spiritual journey.
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:38 AM
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Conversation with the colonel and promise of getting his legs back = Temptation of the dark side; what are you willing to betray your ideals for?
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:18 PM
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Interesting...

I'm not that good at this kind of thing, but one thing I did notice...
Human Jake had nearly nothing in common with me, but the point was, he was really just 'doing it as a job' and didn't really care, which is kind of like how when I first went to saw Avatar, I was expecting it to look nice but not be the best film I'd ever seen... Learning to become Na'vi as I learned to See, then the ending, when he wakes up...
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:27 AM
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okay, I now have time and mental space to devote to this topic.
In essence, the entire plot is a hero's journey and awakening by Jake.

Jake was trapped even before he lost the use of his legs. He was trapped in a mind set that kept everyone in a line, and in the military it was especially forced. His former life was that which traps us all, focused on what is in front of us and what is shown us instead of what we could truly experience given freedom to choose.
'One life ends, another begins.'
That is a statement of truth going beyond the obvious connotations.

The entire film is full of awakening and dreaming symbolism, much like The Matrix. Reality as he knows it is now the dream because he has found the truth.

The tsaheylu between anyone and an animal or other person is a joining of minds that wakens the inner sight even more.

If I go any further I'm going to start repeating what I posted already in my Jake thread.

'Seeing is believing.' had been a well used saying, now I give you another turn on that,
"Believing is seeing.'
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:57 AM
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In essence, the entire plot is a hero's journey and awakening by Jake.

The entire film is full of awakening and dreaming symbolism, much like The Matrix. Reality as he knows it is now the dream because he has found the truth.

If I go any further I'm going to start repeating what I posted already in my Jake thread.
Definitely its about the 'Hero's Journey', and although I probably missed a lot of your comments (which btw, could you post the link?), I guess I was thinking that as that concept has been well discussed, I was looking to come at it from a different direction, not necessarily focusing on the typical elements of the hero's journey!

Since posting this thread, though, I have switched over and started to elaborate my original thoughts (that were just emerging, when I posted this originaly) to a new thread where I want to examine the Deeper Philosophical Meanings in Avatar Exploring Deep Philosophical Meanings in AVATAR beyond the hero's journey concept! What sparked that was in fact the realization that Avatar had a lot in common with the Matrix, and those philosophical questions raised in the Matrix, are my jumping board, for looking deeper into Avatar!
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