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Old 09-18-2010, 08:48 PM
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"I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. "

Another meaning of life in the so called modern world debate I'd like to start , what kind of goal is left to be achieved , has there ever been any goals , is it worth achieving any goals in terms of perishability, or should we just "let the chips fall wherever they may", what's the point in going onwards ,why not go backwards or sidewards , isn't it worth discovering other possibilities or do we compulsively stick to the thought that we are in control of our lifes or life in general , why not end the drama , stop worrying and take everything as it comes , life is a gamble , a game with no rules , nobody ever wins or loses , it's a never ending draw and in the end you will stand there alone and your questions probably will never be answered , I say let's just flip the coin and see where it gets us .
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:54 AM
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:46 AM
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"Do whatever you want, as long as you can pay it"

'Cause you know, freedom is only for those who can afford it -at least in this society.
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Old 09-19-2010, 11:43 AM
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I have had so much similar thoughts..

Every civilization will die, and I think we are close to our destruction. Overpopulation overpopulation overpopulation. Na'vi couldn't live like they do if there were million times more of them. No Eywa here to cut off the birthrates.
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No Eywa here to cut off the birthrates.
Ah, but we don't need Eywa. We kill off ourselves.
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Ah, but we don't need Eywa. We kill off ourselves.
Exactly.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:28 PM
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Well, this is a cheery thread!
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:19 PM
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Ah, but we don't need Eywa. We kill off ourselves.
Perhaps, but all humans will cause is their extinction.

Earth is hugely overpopulated, and everyone just ignores all the obvious problems thinking it can be handled later. Humans won't survive unless something is changed, but 99% of people are too enslaved to see what should be done.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:09 PM
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These days, a lot of people need to be spoon fed goals. Psychologists have identified a certain type of depression in some people that arises when the weekend rolls by. After the hustle and bustle of working all week, many people find themselves empty inside with nothing to do. A lot of young people when asked "What are the goals of your life" will say that they want to get a good job and make a lot of money but once they achieve all that, they still find themselves longing for more. In short, pursuit of material goals does not lead to long lasting happiness.

You can blame capitalism, corporations, etc for all of these problems but I believe that our crisis in meaning comes from a much deeper problem -- a lack of trust. A lot of us these days are afraid to express our true selves to others because we fear ridicule and rejection. How many of you can go out into the world, your workplace, or your favorite place to hang out, and truly speak what you believe in, what you stand for, and what you dream of without any shame. If you can say yes, then you are truly blessed. For those of you who say no this is probrably because everyone else would make fun of us because they too in turn are afraid of being ridiculed. (I would say a lot of us have had some flak thrown at us in real life for liking avatar).

Why do we need all of these material possessions? We try to make ourselves look perfect by having the best cars, clothes, and facebook pages. Deep down inside you probrably do not want all of those things but still desire them for the status they represent. Without this status we face alienation, rejection, and more ridicule.

All of this results from a lack of trust in each other these days (one of my greatest laments). We are just afraid to be ourselves. In a recent survey in America, an alarming majority said that they had no one else in their life with which to discuss important ideas or issues. Without deep human interaction, life will just pass us by. What is it about Avatar that makes some of us so depressed? Sure we see the bad things we do to our own environment but we also see a group of people who trust each other intimately, are not afraid to express their true selves, and care for each other.

I have always believed that we have a life to live because we have a purpose to fullfill whether it be to learn, to teach, or to nurture. When we get to know other people on intimate terms, we come to devote our interest in and desire their well-being beyond any formal sense. This is known as love. One of the best motivations for a person is this sense of responsibility for one another.

I have rarely tell this story to anyone else but I will tell it now as it provides a good example. My grandfather, who is still alive today, lived in Poland when World War II broke out. He was fourteen years old and was brought to Germany to work in a labor camp. A few years ago he became depressed to an alarming degree. We bought him a pet cat and he overcame his depression as a result. Every day he felt the responsibility to take care of the cat and found reason to get out of bed everyday and enjoy life.


My advice to you would be to search and find someone or something in your life to love and devote your energy to its well-being. This can be someone close to your life, society, or even an idea; just find something that instills a sense of purpose.

I would recommend that you read this book:
Amazon.com: Man's Search For Meaning (9780671023379): Viktor E. Frankl: Books

It deals with a relatively new practice of psychology called "logotherapy" that attempts to cure psychological problems by instilling a sense of meaning to one's life.

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So you go for other mandatory things -what the so called mainstream dictates. If you don't do what "they" say, you will be unhappy and ostracized.
In that very quote you summarize one of the major points I said. That we do conform to the mandatory because they say we will be unhappy and ostracized. In other words we follow what is mandatory because we fear and do not trust others to accept us -- we do fear they will ostracize us.

This leads into the leisure time problem. When we are not pursuing the goal of being like everyone else, what is there to do?

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All of us need to begin to make of our lives what we want.
We do need to begin to make of our lives what we want, but first we must find what we want.

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Old 09-19-2010, 09:32 PM
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We do need to begin to make of our lives what we want, but first we must find what we want.
That's quite easy: it starts by being sincere with oneself.

If you don't like your workplace, say "I'm getting the hell out of here!". If you hate how your best friend is behaving lately, throw hypocrisy away and tell him what you think. If you wanted to become writer instead of an office clerk, you can always go for your passion.

People, in a way, fear that their dreams become real -because of the chance of failing and all what that takes.

And sorry for the post deletion -but I just felt I was posting someone else's ideas, since I'm reading a book that basically says that.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:50 PM
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Being sincere with one's own self is just a single step in finding meaning in one's life. Why would you tell your friend that he is behaving inappropiately? Because you care about his inner developement and realize that there is purpose in cultivating it (to make him a better person).

You can skirt between one job to another constantly but you may never find the job that truly satisfies you. Simply being sincere is not going to find you a fulfilling job, it only makes you realize that your current job is unsuitable. To truly find what job you were meant to do, you need to find meaning in your work. Once a person realizes that the results of his work have meaning and purpose, then he or she will be more satisfied. For ex: A maintenance worker who comes to the realization that the equipment he maintains saves lives and benefits others is a lot more satisfied than a similar worker who only views his job as a means to a living.
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I would say it's even easier than that: do whatever you please, go wherever you want.
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:00 PM
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And yet we could still find ourselves empty on the inside. We have been there and done that. But what is there to look forward to without meaning in one's life?
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I think part of the problem is just how impersonal life, and the larger "community" in general has become. Back in the day, tribal people had incredibly strong communities, where everyone had a place and a role, and were each highly valued. Hunters, gatherers, weavers, story tellers, shamans - everyone's work was extremely important, and the person doing that work knew that. They knew their vital role in the web of life, and they took pride in that. Plus, free time was enjoyable because people had others to enjoy it with. It was a time where people laughed together, cried together, feasted together, starved together, and lived together.

However, the human being in the modern world has been diminished to nothing but a resource, hence how impersonal society as a whole has become. It's not like back in the day, where people were nurtured by the community ("it takes a village to raise a child"). Today, the system is nothing but a factory. All it is designed to do is make you just smart enough to punch a clock, or ask if someone wants fries with that, and your work isn't very important anymore in the big picture. Because if you disappeared, the system will just squeeze out another person to take your place. Your value is in your wallet, not your heart. If you can't either: 1) Make things, or 2) Buy things, then the system couldn't give two ****s about you.

Plus it's amazing how alone people have become in this world. A good portion of the population has no family or friends, which the human isn't designed to handle after spending eons in the tight-knit tribal community. Ironic, isn't it? In a world of 6 billion people, we still manage to be strangers to each other.

So yes, economically, we all have a place (to an extremely small degree). Unfortunately that place is either in the workforce, where 1/2 of our waking adult hours are spent, or in a store buying things, where a good portion of the other 1/2 is spent. To be blunt, it's de facto slavery. In the big picture, our hearts and souls have no value in this modern world. All that matters is how many material goods we can produce, and how many of those material goods we can buy back.

So I agree with Banefull. If you want to find a place in this world, you're going to have to forge it for yourself. It's not like back in the day where you had a highly valued role in the web of life simply because you were alive. Today's world is a world is 6 billion expendaple cogs and gears in a [self] destructive machine being controlled by a few extremely rich and powerful sociopaths.

You need to look inside to find meaning in your life, because all the outside world will do if you look towards it for meaning is guide you into slavery. If you want something worth fighting for, if you want a place and a purpose, be your own one [wo]man army, and fight for it, regardless of what the dittoheads in society think. Whatever you feel your purpose is - from a powerful political figure, to a noble soveirgn - you need to value it enough to struggle, or possibly suffer for. You need to fight for your purpose, hell, high water, or blood.

Is it any wonder that people like gypsies might live dirty, day-to-day, and without many material goods, and yet wouldn't trade their lives in a million years?
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"Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden

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