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Old 11-23-2010, 05:15 AM
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It's descriptive.

Details, when you read news, you want details.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:32 AM
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That shows how much the media has kept you blind. Try saying that to someone living in southeast Asia which has more practicioners of Islam than the Middle East (Indonesia especially). They'd be clueless as to what you are talking about. This whole women issue is mainly confined to the Middle East. Its a cultural thing, not religious.
Oh Banefull I really hope you turn out to be right, but I beg to differ. The New Zealand media doesn't perpetuate this view of Islam, the views I present are from my own observations, it happens down the end of my street. Fully clothed woman are everywhere and the police are constantly at their houses, from what seems to be domestic violence issues. Islam is exporting its worst aspects to western civilization.
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Oh Banefull I really hope you turn out to be right, but I beg to differ. The New Zealand media doesn't perpetuate this view of Islam, the views I present are from my own observations, it happens down the end of my street. Fully clothed woman are everywhere and the police are constantly at their houses, from what seems to be domestic violence issues. Islam is exporting its worst aspects to western civilization.
And I know several people at my university who are Islamic and I have had studies in various religions. How much do you people actually know about Islam in the first place?

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Old 11-23-2010, 05:41 AM
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Oh Banefull I really hope you turn out to be right, but I beg to differ. The New Zealand media doesn't perpetuate this view of Islam, the views I present are from my own observations, it happens down the end of my street. Fully clothed woman are everywhere and the police are constantly at their houses, from what seems to be domestic violence issues. Islam is exporting its worst aspects to western civilization.
And none of it is your business, or concern. If they violate the laws of your country, the police intervene. If they don't, then you shouldn't worry about them.
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And I know several people at my university who are Islamic and I have had studies in various religions. How much do you people actually know about Islam in the first place?

Don't criticize something you don't know.
I know enough to state my opinion. I also think we both acknowledge that there are extremes to Islam as there are to any religion. What I'm seeing though is the extreme and perhaps distorted version of Islam being exported from the middle east.

Trust me I do know that Islam is similar to Catholicism in many respects. Although the two religions differ one one important thing above all else. Catholics believe that Jesus was the son of God, where as Muslims believe Muhammad was merely a prophet of Allah.

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And none of it is your business, or concern. If they violate the laws of your country, the police intervene. If they don't, then you shouldn't worry about them.
That's like appeasment. It becomes a problem when they totally reject New Zealand culture, if it was merely a few individuals doing this then it wouldn't be a problem, but it's thousands.
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That's like appeasment. It becomes a problem when they totally reject New Zealand culture, if it was merely a few individuals doing this then it wouldn't be a problem, but it's thousands.
This is the part I never get.

What's the matter with the number of people?
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This is the part I never get.

What's the matter with the number of people?
Because your native culture gets overriden quite quickly.
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Because your native culture gets overriden quite quickly.
Yeah, problem is that land is the strongest's.

Before you, the Natives were there. Now they barely have representation, and would have no voice if it weren't for those immigrants who decided to preserve their culture.

It's just about time another immigration wave gets and becomes majority. But this time, instead of coming from rich countries, it will be from poor ones.

It's a problem we created ourselves, though. Those people wouldn't have the need to flee from their land if they weren't escaping from anything.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:18 PM
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Yeah, problem is that land is the strongest's.

Before you, the Natives were there. Now they barely have representation, and would have no voice if it weren't for those immigrants who decided to preserve their culture.

It's just about time another immigration wave gets and becomes majority. But this time, instead of coming from rich countries, it will be from poor ones.

It's a problem we created ourselves, though. Those people wouldn't have the need to flee from their land if they weren't escaping from anything.
I am 1/8th native N.Z myself and I'm actually sick of the Maori bull.... about wanting to reclaim all their land when there are far bigger threats to their culture that hail from across the oceans. New Zealand nationalism is taking root though, Maori and European New Zealanders are slowly starting to wake up. I'll be voting New Zealand first party when I'm eligable.

It's 'not' a problem we created, how so? Immigrants wouldn't have to emigrate if they had a peaceful, fair and equal culture.
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It's 'not' a problem we created, how so? Immigrants wouldn't have to emigrate if they had a peaceful, fair and equal culture.
Culture is not a factor. Politics and economics are.

-and taking in count we're in a globalised world... We do have an influence in their countries. See, Coltan Wars for example.
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Culture is not a factor. Politics and economics are.
Nevertheless, my point still stands, if they had security in these areas then they wouldn't have to emigrate. Why don't they try to advance their politics and economics before exporting the same failed theories to other countries?
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Nevertheless, my point still stands, if they had security in these areas then they wouldn't have to emigrate. Why don't they try to advance their politics and economics before exporting the same failed theories to other countries?
Perhaps because they can't even try?

You can't get rid of a dictatorship or a false democracy when you live in one of the areas with the highest rates of crime, terrorism and underdevelopment in the globe.

The so called "voice of the people" is killed before it can utter a word.

And quite honestly, were I living in such place, I would move.

The hell away from it.

Exempli gratia - A women who tried to warn the police about some drug dealers near her house, in Mexico
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:02 AM
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Perhaps because they can't even try?

You can't get rid of a dictatorship or a false democracy when you live in one of the areas with the highest rates of crime, terrorism and underdevelopment in the globe.

The so called "voice of the people" is killed before it can utter a word.

And quite honestly, were I living in such place, I would move.

The hell away from it.

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European society evolved beyond that in time, I'm sure they can too given time.

Quite simply if they aren't able to develop beyond brutality, and I mean like never able too then it's fair to say that that's their prerogative.
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Yeah, but in that time they didn't have wireless communications neither huge stocks of weaponry at low prices.

Any case, the brutality comes from a minority, the rest just want to live their lives. When they can't because of a constant threat, they move.

Why don't they evolve? They get killed as they try -sometimes it's the government, a corrupt officer, a narco, a terrorist... This is not the French in a Constitutional Assembly or the Americans in Philadelphia.

They have fear and they are alone.

At least let them get out.
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Yeah, but in that time they didn't have wireless communications neither huge stocks of weaponry at low prices.

Any case, the brutality comes from a minority, the rest just want to live their lives. When they can't because of a constant threat, they move.

Why don't they evolve? They get killed as they try -sometimes it's the government, a corrupt officer, a narco, a terrorist... This is not the French in a Constitutional Assembly or the Americans in Philadelphia.

They have fear and they are alone.

At least let them get out.
Which is exactly the reason we should cut all contact with those countries, technology should never have gone in, now we need to get it out.

The only things I can think of is totally sweeping house in those countries, destroying all authority and replacing it with leaders who want to actually advance their country.
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