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ZenitYerkes 11-22-2010 08:46 PM

Should religion, culture, ethnic group,... be taken in count?
 
When I read headlines in the newspapers, like:

"Woman assaulted by black man"

or

"Catholic priest accused of rape"

or

"Three Moroccan immigrants killed woman and left corpse in..."

I wonder; is it relevant where is the criminal from or what their creed is? Is the collective responsible for the crimes of a person? I mean, not all black people are burglars, not the whole Catholic Church is rapist neither Morocco is a country of serial killers.

Not even the majority of them.

Isn't it unfair that we see this happening to frequently in the media?

"Deport all Muslim people, they all have declared a holy war against us. Soon this will be just another Islamized country. And you don't want to wear a scarf by law, do you?"

"Those Mexicans are sh*t. Drug dealers, gangsters, lazy bums,... they don't even speak English. We would be better off without them."

And the list just keeps going.

rapunzel77 11-22-2010 08:59 PM

What you are pointing out is what is wrong with the media today. It isn't enough for them to just report the news. Nope, they think that they need to "educate" people about the news and that means using an narrative to tell the "stories" if you will. So, they put people into groups, identifying them by their race, culture, and religion. This gives the impression to many people that the groups that the particular criminal, etc represents adheres to the same beliefs (ie. all Muslims are terrorists, all Mexicans are taking jobs, all Catholic priests are pedophiles, etc). This is why it is so important to sift through what they are saying and ignore it. Never get your history and information from the news. They are almost always lying.

Spock 11-22-2010 09:19 PM

I don't really know what to believe, it happens on both sides. There are those that advocate a completely immersive society, and then there are those that incriminate immigrants indescriminantly. I need time to work this out.

Edit: Ok try this, don't listen to news media, find out for yourself, do your own research and try and get the answers. Statistics speak for themselves.

Banefull 11-22-2010 09:39 PM

Its all about catching the eye.

Quote:

"Woman assaulted by man"

or

"Person accused of rape"

or

"Three people killed woman and left corpse in..."
doesn't nearly get as many viewers as what you just said. Something is wrong on both sides of the media fence. The media exists for the sole purpose of your $$ and they do whatever gets them the $$.

Human No More 11-22-2010 10:53 PM

If the group is a factor, then yes.

Banefull 11-23-2010 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 112408)
If the group is a factor, then yes.

People don't commit crimes because they are just part of a group. Membership or not, they still make the final decision themselves.

Leequilibrium 11-23-2010 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefull (Post 112470)
People don't commit crimes because they are just part of a group. Membership or not, they still make the final decision themselves.

Not always. Many people commit crimes due to peer pressure.

ZenitYerkes 11-23-2010 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leequilibrium (Post 112476)
Not always. Many people commit crimes due to peer pressure.

In a chavs group, probably.

But in large and more mature groups, I doubt it.

Banefull 11-23-2010 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leequilibrium (Post 112476)
Not always. Many people commit crimes due to peer pressure.

It is the individual's choice in the end, not the group's.

caveman 11-23-2010 01:20 AM

I stopped watching most news, this being one of the reasons. The media seems to love separating people into little groups and defining them.

Just out of curiosity, where do you guys get your news? Other than Colbert and Stewart, I only really watch one program that I like.

SaphirJD 11-23-2010 01:34 AM

to ban such things from newspapers.. while it would perhaps work somehow is for sure not possible.

Since a big amount of newspaper readers just read papers for their own thriller experience. Since life is mostly boredom, they need to be excited somehow, for sure a reason why newspapers are selling so good.

This is just another Crazy piece of a crazy world.

Spock 11-23-2010 02:05 AM

One thing I find abhorent is how woman are treated in the Islamic faith. I don't want the same disrespect to be perpetuated worldwide, they also reinforce the point of view that all non-muslims should be hated.

This is one thing we can't let happen. The media does overblow and segregate a lot with their reporting but 'never' forget that there are real threats to liberty out there. Threats we need to face head on in order to uphold ethics and morality.

Banefull 11-23-2010 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man (Post 112526)
One thing I find abhorent is how woman are treated in the Islamic faith. I don't want the same disrespect to be perpetuated worldwide, they also reinforce the point of view that all non-muslims should be hated.

This is one thing we can't let happen. The media does overblow and segregate a lot with their reporting but 'never' forget that there are real threats to liberty out there. Threats we need to face head on in order to uphold ethics and morality.

That shows how much the media has kept you blind. Try saying that to someone living in southeast Asia which has more practicioners of Islam than the Middle East (Indonesia especially). They'd be clueless as to what you are talking about. This whole women issue is mainly confined to the Middle East. Its a cultural thing, not religious.

Human No More 11-23-2010 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man (Post 112526)
One thing I find abhorent is how woman are treated in the Islamic faith. I don't want the same disrespect to be perpetuated worldwide, they also reinforce the point of view that all non-muslims should be hated.

This is one thing we can't let happen. The media does overblow and segregate a lot with their reporting but 'never' forget that there are real threats to liberty out there. Threats we need to face head on in order to uphold ethics and morality.

Exactly. When people deliberately isolate themselves from the civilisation they live in, there is only one outcome in the end.

Banefull 11-23-2010 05:04 AM

There is a difference between the radical elements of Islam and Islam itself....


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