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Old 12-07-2010, 11:23 PM
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This is how I picture the whole thing.

"If you don't stop I will deploy my nukes all over your land"
"No, if *you* don't stop we will blow up your ridiculous country"

From this point on, either both countries realize they must reach a diplomatic solution; or shoot each other down (and millions of innocents, too). The probability of the second one increases as the basic resources available run out.

And we *are* running out of resources.

Nukes are something that should never have been invented in the first place.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:38 PM
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This is how I picture the whole thing.

"If you don't stop I will deploy my nukes all over your land"
"No, if *you* don't stop we will blow up your ridiculous country"

From this point on, either both countries realize they must reach a diplomatic solution; or shoot each other down (and millions of innocents, too). The probability of the second one increases as the basic resources available run out.

And we *are* running out of resources.

Nukes are something that should never have been invented in the first place.
I actually made a Chemistry/Environmental-report last year about "Powerplants and Nukes - OK or Not?" I didn't even have any arguments for what good nukes did... except having an extremely high kill ratio... if that is seen as good >.> (for the attacking country)

Powerplants is a different matter I don't think we should bring up. But scientists (Einstein) saw the potential power of fission; and put that together with a couple of ideas and they got the Nuke. If not Einstein, then someone else would've discovered it) It was inevitable I say.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:44 PM
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As I said before, there are only a few countries mad enough to actually use them as a first strike option. If those countries were eliminated or had a revolution and turned to democracy, there wouldn't be a problem and the world could start talks on eliminating nuclear weapons. While North Korea and Pakistan still have nuclear weapons and Iran is attempting to develop them, any other country getting rid of theirs would be suicide. Not even China would be willing to be completely destroyed in return for doing so to the rest of the world.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:45 PM
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I actually made a Chemistry/Environmental-report last year about "Powerplants and Nukes - OK or Not?" I didn't even have any arguments for what good nukes did... except having an extremely high kill ratio... if that is seen as good >.> (for the attacking country)

Powerplants is a different matter I don't think we should bring up. But scientists (Einstein) saw the potential power of fission; and put that together with a couple of ideas and they got the Nuke. If not Einstein, then someone else would've discovered it) It was inevitable I say.
It wasn't. But let's not discuss over the past.

I agree powerplants if properly maintained are a good source of energy -a quite fundamental one; for it's cheap, clean and constant. But nukes are another kind of thing altogether. They are a threat not for countries to each other, but for mankind as a whole: we can destroy the Earth. We have potential and tools to do so, and as long as the possibility exists it's only a matter of time and for the needed situations and conflicts arise to make such thing happen.

Even if countries could keep their nukes underground forever, I just hope we don't reach the point of nuclear terrorism. *That* is having a trigger happy moron around.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:47 PM
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As I said before, there are only a few countries mad enough to actually use them as a first strike option. If those countries were eliminated or had a resolution and turned to democracy,...
Don't believe democracy is perfect. It could let you down.

Specially here.
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Don't believe democracy is perfect. It could let you down.

Specially here.
I was going to quote that as well. Democracy is by no means perfect. The majority can always be wrong, and has been wrong before.

The threat of nuclear warfare was the thing that made me get PAD in the first place. The thing that was really making me depressed was the fact that we still had weapons of mass destruction and that there was nothing I could do (at the time) to change it. After all, if you aren't holding the stick, then someone else will.

This all stems from mistrust between different countries, ethnicities, and religions. If people could work on forming that trust, by getting closer and learning about each other, then progress could be made. If extremists worked against it, this is the only time I would agree with having them eliminated, for what I believe is the betterment of our world.
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The old troll quote: "Why not just blow the Na'vi from orbit? This movie is so unrealistic!"

Now... give that a thought. Did JC forget about Nukes in the future or are they perhaps gone? Supposedly that man is still fighting (in some masses), they have survived so far, so what about the Nukes?

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The old troll quote: "Why not just blow the Na'vi from orbit? This movie is so unrealistic!"

Now... give that a thought. Did JC forget about Nukes in the future or are they perhaps gone? Supposedly that man is still fighting (in some masses), they have survived so far, so what about the Nukes?

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I think we agreed that the RDA didn't have access to any nuclear weapons. As it is, they didn't have a formal military. They hired mercenaries. I think this will have to be addressed if the humans ever return.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:16 AM
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Exactly.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:17 AM
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We are running out of resources but the fight over them will be fought with conventional albiet highly advanced weapons, just wait and see.
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:23 AM
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Exactly.
(PS. This thread is about on Earth, not in Avatar )
I was merely looking for guidance to raise the question about the future of nukes referring from JC's perspective.

Sorry if I got it out in the wrong way
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Nukes are something that should never have been invented in the first place.





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Old 12-08-2010, 08:18 AM
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I think we agreed that the RDA didn't have access to any nuclear weapons. As it is, they didn't have a formal military. They hired mercenaries. I think this will have to be addressed if the humans ever return.
It's even more simple than that. In the Avatar Universe there is a formal ban on all WMD's, or rather the use of them.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:20 AM
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It's even more simple than that. In the Avatar Universe there is a formal ban on all WMD's, or rather the use of them.


Just their use in space. That's actually a part of the UN's current space treaty.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:35 AM
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Just their use in space. That's actually a part of the UN's current space treaty.
Yes and they're also forbidden to use them on Pandora.
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