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Old 01-31-2011, 08:53 PM
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I'm gonna state my opinion here, and while alot of you may not agree, I just want to let it be put forward. Love isn't about sex, it's not about anything like that. I love someone because they are the first thing I want to see in the morning, they're the last thing I want to see when I sleep. You can't start a relationship because you like the look of someone, that's madness. Neither can you start a relationship with someone who you think looks revolting...

Love has to be mutual. If you like someone because of their looks it's not love. It's lust. If you feel like you love someone but they don't know you, it's not love. The person on the other end has to feel the same as you for it to be love.

Put it this way, the italians have it right. They have two ways of saying I Love You. The way they normally say it is Ti voglio bene. However to a select few that they really really do love they say 'ti amo' Put it this way, if you just started a relationship in Italy and said 'ti amo' as soon as you agreed to go on a date, the other person would run away from you as fast as possible. Love is something which is serious, it's something you should cherish and save. Don't ever take it for granted.


I've had a couple of hours thinking about Love, so im a bit depressed right now.

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If physical attraction truly had a major part in love, how come we see ugly people or fat people getting married to each other? No offense, but why do we see that?
No offence, but firstly, standards vary between different people. Someone one person might consider good looking might be considered unacceptable by another, and some people are even interested in people who more people would consider unattractive. In the end though, then yes, it's often due to things other than just physical, whether through wanting anyone, or being very strongly attracted to other factors, or even having tastes that differ from most people's.
No offence either, but people do have sex,which needs at least some level of physical attraction.

Love that is restricted to only a single aspect and not to others will never work in the end.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:05 AM
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Everyone has their definition of beauty; however, that does not explain why some people end up marrying others that they do in fact think are ugly or physically hideous from their perspective.

Besides, what happens once you get old?
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Besides, what happens once you get old?
You lose your vision.
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Wow, I have to this thread would never end! Well to imput my opinion, there different level to follow. Looks to get each other to come together and talk (Intrest.) After that you will like it or not judge a person's soul, intellingence, personallity. Yes everyone has their own standards, which is fine. Just think how boring would the world be if we all thought, looked, liked all the same things! Like I said, looks is what starts a attraction, then other factors come in, depending on the individual. You also need RESPECT too, that gos in hand with love. If you don't respect that person, even accept their faults, you will fail. I have said this many times and will say it again and again, NOTHING WORTH HAVING IS EASY! Yuo always must work hard at everything to have it succed, even love.

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Old 02-01-2011, 12:18 PM
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No offence, but firstly, standards vary between different people. Someone one person might consider good looking might be considered unacceptable by another, and some people are even interested in people who more people would consider unattractive. In the end though, then yes, it's often due to things other than just physical, whether through wanting anyone, or being very strongly attracted to other factors, or even having tastes that differ from most people's.
No offence either, but people do have sex,which needs at least some level of physical attraction.

Love that is restricted to only a single aspect and not to others will never work in the end.
Mm... yeah. You're right.

I always ask myself the question though ever since I saw "Shallow Hal".
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:57 AM
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(Lyra) Put it this way, the italians have it right. They have two ways of saying I Love You. The way they normally say it is Ti voglio bene. However to a select few that they really really do love they say 'ti amo' Put it this way, if you just started a relationship in Italy and said 'ti amo' as soon as you agreed to go on a date, the other person would run away from you as fast as possible. Love is something which is serious, it's something you should cherish and save. Don't ever take it for granted.
Wow. That is truly inspirational. I've got to admit I do have a true respect for Italy's history, and generally a lot of what they do. It is true though, that *I love you* gets very worn very quickly- At least if one looks towards the media. We see constant stories of dates... Weddings... Where it ends with

"oh no haha, i dumped him becoz he was too clingy"

or

"the girl i go out with has to have black hair"

I agree that love is something, that should be cherished. I'm not particularly caring of whether your way of thinking means you have one, two, or three plus partners. I just truly believe that the old myth of *true* love- Isn't something that can be expressed with regular words.

I won't even start on Valentines day.



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(iron_jones) Most love starts out with lust.
Well, I agree that the majority of the time, your first attraction towards someone is their appearance. Sometimes their laugh, smile, even their skill in a particular activity maybe attractive. I often find that as I get to know a person- They either shape into a beautiful person, or a not-so-beautiful person. [I hate the word ugly- I don't like the idea that there are *poles* of attractiveness]

For example, when I first met Nawmtirey (Who I'm sure quite a few of you are aware of now) - It was purely based on voice, and the way she spoke. The way she gave her views, and her dedication to learning things. I then saw her properly for the first time, and I thought she was beautiful. As each day passes, and I listen more and more to her caring, wonderful mind unravel before me- She gets even more and more beautiful.

BUT- Both my paragraphs pale in insignificance due to the fact that you said MOST of the time. /sigh


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(Woodsprite) If physical attraction truly had a major part in love, how come we see ugly people or fat people getting married to each other? No offense, but why do we see that?
I've a lot to say on this. And I have to leave for school in 5 minutes so apologies if I don't quite finish this post. That said- I don't believe there IS any solid definition of the objective word: *ugly*. One of the first quotes I ever learned at a young age. (My primary school teacher pretty much told us this every day, even though we had no idea what it meant)-

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
In my opinion- Physical attraction has a HUGE part in love. Sex, for example, is a hugely important part of a relationship. At least, to me it is. It's a chance to be in your *most exposed form* whilst in the presence of the one you love the most. [Or the few that you love the most, I'm not here to judge].

As you put it, *ugly or fat people* get married to each other because of the beauty within. (Once again, all my opinion) I don't even believe there is any one definition of either. If you're referring to x>BMI=30 then this is a scientific definition. As I said before, within my last two paragraphs- A person will appear beautiful physically to me- If they are beautiful mentally.

There have been girls in my life who when I look at them, I've thought;

"Corr wow. She's absolutely beautiful"- Only to be proven wrong two minutes later, by watching her stamp, slap and swear. There are girls who I've thought didn't look particularly beautiful. Then, as I've gotten to know their warm personalities- They became beautiful to me physically. No sexual attraction. Just beauty.

But I digress- My point was that, in my brief opinion- Appearance has a huge part in relationships/friendships/bonds/whatever you label it.

And remember- You may see it as *two ugly/fat people getting married*- But maybe to them, they see eachother entirely differently. They are in love.

Love defies logic, reasoning, and any other decent path of thought that is usually created. I can say this from personal experience.
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:15 PM
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Humans are so annoyingly complex in a mental way, that we come up with all sorts of fancy models to the simplest of things. The underlying cause of the phenomenon called love is just nature trying to do what it always has done, to stay alive and continue doing so through possible offspring. Plus the fact that we are social animals that desire companionship and all that jazz.

That's not to say that there isn't such a thing called love or anything like that, but rather that the basic cause to it is the same, although methods and types vary greatly. It's basically pointless trying to quantify the human behaviour since our capacity for understanding is far outnumbered by our complexity, and that annoys me to no end.

Lust is just the basic part of it all, with all the fancy psychological stuff peeled out of the way. Maybe it's sort of blunt fail-safe mechanism if things don't fall into place otherwise.

All of this is just an educated guess on my part, because like I said, at least my capacity of understanding doesn't cover the irrational complexity of human behaviour.
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The way I see it, emotional love and physical love are simply two different ways to share and express your feelings. Whether to use either of those, or both, is completely up to every one of us.
Nothing is more or less wrong than the other.
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