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Old 10-09-2011, 03:11 PM
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Well since I don't see anything going on in the debate thread about this I think this is a good place to post.

So what is everyone's position on this? I for one fully support this movement. For to long have the 1% dominated our world. Some may think of me as anti-capitalist, but you know what when the system allows for such injustices to happen maybe its time that the rules changed.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:29 PM
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Well, I'll support it as soon as someone can demonstrate a system that doesn't fall into Unstable Equilibrium.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:52 PM
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The current system is indeed pretty terrible.

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Well, I'll support it as soon as someone can demonstrate a system that doesn't fall into Unstable Equilibrium.
A system where there would be no need to hoard resources.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:44 PM
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I think anyone who claims to be communist should first live in North Korea for a year - odds are they'd abandon that idea.
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Old 10-09-2011, 06:45 PM
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Communism doesn't automatically mean North Korea conditions
Anyway, I'd say I support the movement.
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Old 10-09-2011, 07:28 PM
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Re-quoting my friend here, mainly because he summed up my feelings well.

"If one thinks of "Free Markets" as completely free then that is the same as having no government or anarchy. As we have evolved and we spend more time in groups we realize we must have rules to ensure that one person's freedom does not diminish another person's freedom. To ensure justice. Our economic systems have become extremely complex and require more rules to ensure justice. If more rules to ensure justice are anti-capitalist, then that is exactly what we need."
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North Korea is not Communism!


And re the original topic: Thumbs up for Occupy Wallstreet. Innovative protests! If they will be effective - we'll see. But I like them
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North Korea is not Communism!


Yes, it is. Just like Soviet Russia, and Communist China (they've actually managed to get all the negatives of capitalism AND communism all blended into one)


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Communists are the very definition of insane.
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OWS has my support 100%.
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I think anyone who claims to be communist should first live in North Korea for a year - odds are they'd abandon that idea.
Where did you get the idea that the Occupy movement is communist?

I'm all for the Occupy movements, not just in Wall St but the ones sprouting throughout the globe. People are realising that they don't have to keep bailing all these banks out and they can voice their indignation publically to both their own government and the world that this doesn't have to be the way things are. Plus the whole concentration of the battle of the working and ruling class is used by both communists and socialists.
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Yes, it is. Just like Soviet Russia, and Communist China (they've actually managed to get all the negatives of capitalism AND communism all blended into one)
In other words, fascist communism. True egalitarian communism has yet to be used in practice.
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In other words, fascist communism. True egalitarian communism has yet to be used in practice.
Because it inevitably falls into fascist communism.
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Because it inevitably falls into fascist communism.
Not if you structure it right. Michael Moore has some VERY interesting ideas about how the government and the corporate sector should be run. His ideas sound very communist/socialist(IE all resources owned in common), but the spin he would have on them might actually make them work. If anyone is getting involved in this I suggest they pick up "Here Comes Trouble" Moore's latest book.
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Not if you structure it right. Michael Moore has some VERY interesting ideas about how the government and the corporate sector should be run. His ideas sound very communist/socialist(IE all resources owned in common), but the spin he would have on them might actually make them work. If anyone is getting involved in this I suggest they pick up "Here Comes Trouble" Moore's latest book.
That's what the last three groups said.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:18 AM
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True communism hasn't even been used yet. These groups started with their own variation of the original idea, which became corrupt and turned fascist.
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