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Old 03-05-2012, 04:09 PM
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I though Ancient Aliens was on the History channel >.> oh well, Discovery has been yielding to fluff for a while anyway. No safe place now except Science and NASA, neither of which are on basic cable
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It was on the Discovery channel? Really? I never knew that.. I always saw it on the History channel when I first found out about it. At least they're still putting it up. Ancient Aliens is one of my favorite shows! Although, it's interesting to note that Aliens & UFOs have supposedly been around us all this time without humans realizing it. I've always had a keen interest in the paranormal and aliens myself as a kid growing up.

In my humble opinion, if a random person came up to me & were to say that aliens or extraterrestials don't exist, I would be thinking that they are blind. Mainly for 2 reasons:

1) There's so much to outer space than what we humans currently even know. Let's face it, there are billions and billions of other planets unexplored within and outside of our own Solar System. Also, who's to say that we only need planetary existence in order to prove alien lifeforms are alive? We also have to take into account gaseous newborn stars, slowly moving asteroids, rotating moons, and whatever else exists out there. This fact alone is a clear concise example and concrete proof enough for me to be able to accept that there is life outside of our Earth.

2) Let's not forget, there are also things unexplainable and virtually undefiable in humanitary terms. Just look at the Great Pyramid from Egypt, Machu Picchu from Peru, the Mayans amount of knowledge and technological design, Florida's Bermuda Triangle, the construction of Stone Hedge, and the large Moai "Easter Island Heads". Not even our technology today can compare to being fully capable of building these objects with such accurate precision and lifting heavy stones with ease. There's no way that humans back then could lift thousands of tons worth of stone and be able to make a pyramid or other similar structures with perfect alignment. I'm inclined to believe that either the humans in our past had obtained great superpower feats beyond our imagination, or the Aliens created them with us along the ride.


Would I be left to believe that such structures were merely there only to be worshipped for Kings & Queens from the past portraying as status-quo and toys up for display? I think not... Which is why I suspect there's a whole lot more to learn to our human history than previously thought.

That's my take on it.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:54 PM
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Those are distinctly different things, and behave incredibly differently. (The aether is what light was supposed to propagate through, dark energy is responsible for the universe expanding.)
What I was referring to is that there are enormous voids in our knowledge of Universe and that's why scientists rely on hypothesis like "Aether" (which was proven obsolete when Einstein presented his Special Theory of Relativity). What "aether" represented then (a nice way to explain observations of yet unknown or poorly understood events) is what "dark energy" represents to scientists now -a nice way to explain something unknown or that breaks current knowledge and observations. Like Hawking's singularity that originated the Universe, the only time when something was created out of nothing was the beginning of everything in the Universe: the Big Bang. Which immediately results in this question: How can something be created out of nothing? A clear break of Thermodynamics.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:45 PM
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Tsoukalos ideas are not new. He was preceeded by many years by Erich von Daeniken who was very popular in the 70:s and 80:s. His book Chariots of the Gods really became a bestseller and sold in millions of copies.

Erich von Däniken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 03-08-2012, 10:56 PM
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Though not new, Tsoukalos is profiting (at least in public exposure) more than Daniken and others.
And he certainly is the craziest of them (to my humble knowledge, that is), plus, his hair looks like this:

Seriously speaking, hypothesis like Ancient Aliens, disgracefully, have a poor perception due their "supporters". At this moment, I really doubt any serious scholar would want to take such an investigation, because of the poor image it gives/has -just look above- (can't really imagine what credibility would any scientist had if his/her PhD thesis had the title: "Ancient Aliens").
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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I'm just seeing another episode of Ancient Aliens. In this one, they unearthed the obsolete and wrong-proven theory of Comets bringing doom and decease to mankind. Pathetic, Science has thoroughly proved the origin of deceases such as the Black Death, cholera and many others. Though they have interesting episodes, this one is just stupid.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:34 AM
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I remember when I used to watch nature documentaries on Discovery and Animal Planet.

Then I didn't have cable/satellite for a long time.

When I got the internet in my house, one of the first things I did is go check out what I missed.

Discovery channel, I am disappoint.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:33 AM
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All the above posts are the reason WHY I don't have DSL Television. I used to have it, after about a decade of NO TV, (Apparently, I wasn't missing anything), and then I got hooked up to Dish Network the same day that I hooked up to Wild Blue DSL internet. After a month, I disconnected the TV from the dish, told Dish Network EXACTLY where they could stick their programming, and took down the dish. Talk about a WASTE of time.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:58 PM
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I remember when I used to watch nature documentaries on Discovery and Animal Planet.

Then I didn't have cable/satellite for a long time.

When I got the internet in my house, one of the first things I did is go check out what I missed.

Discovery channel, I am disappoint.
The History channel is just as bad. They realised that lowest common denominator = more people watching = more money, and from their perspective, it's "who cares if we alienate our original audience if we trade them for 5x as many people?"...
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:23 PM
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^^ Isn't that sad? Four years ago I would watch Discovery or History and not to change channels during all of the day to have a nice experience. Since Discovery introduced Bear Grylls and History dropped Modern Marvels (at least in Latinamerica), I suddenly stopped to feel appealed to watch them, the only interesting thing I find now in Discovery is Mythbusters and Factory Made, nothing more. History has become a reality channel, I really miss Mail Call and so many other shows that had quality. Even Animal Planet is becoming a frivolous-themed channel. There was a very nice show in History about motor racing, I really liked it but now it has been replaced by some stupid show.
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I've had fond memories of both the Discovery and History Channels before the whole Man vs. Wild and alien conspiracy horse **** that seem so prevalent nowadays.

Example: Survivorman was actually a pretty decent survival show, and it was fairly legitimate, considering that Les Stroud performed all of it on his own for 7 days. Enter the faster, more entertaining Bear Grylls. Some moron might actually die trying to emulate the high adrenaline "survival" stunts performed on the show. But guess which show had more views?

This is just one of many examples. Smokes and mirrors over real substance. Discovery's signal-to-noise ratio is at least better than History Channel's.
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:42 PM
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It is only going to get WORSE, as the national I.Q. drops even lower. I am SOOOO glad that I will get my PCS orders from this duty station before too many years go by.
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I've had fond memories of both the Discovery and History Channels before the whole Man vs. Wild and alien conspiracy horse **** that seem so prevalent nowadays.

Example: Survivorman was actually a pretty decent survival show, and it was fairly legitimate, considering that Les Stroud performed all of it on his own for 7 days. Enter the faster, more entertaining Bear Grylls. Some moron might actually die trying to emulate the high adrenaline "survival" stunts performed on the show. But guess which show had more views?

This is just one of many examples. Smokes and mirrors over real substance. Discovery's signal-to-noise ratio is at least better than History Channel's.
Well Raptor, for YEARS I would get up at zero dark thirty with my buddies, and perform three or four "Death Defying" "Skill Challenges" before Breakfast.
After doing that kind of stuff, "Reality Television" is a joke.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:49 AM
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Another week, another episode, one more reason to loathe the current state of History Channel. This time, things went above mere speculation and naivety to plain fantasy (fantasy is a term to be kind with them). In a few words: some guys (to protect them from embarrassment) affirm to have found a book, containing a series of binary numbers arranged in some form (what they showed were rows of ones and zeros, apparently random in nature). So one guy decides to type those numbers in what I can affirm is the very popular text editor for most Linux users and distributions: gedit. Anyway, after some "analysis" (and being myself an engineer, I still wonder what kind of analysis they made) believe it or not, those apparent random ones and zeros delivered a message of the type
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EARTH EXPLORA[TION]
and some coordinates pointing to a place in the Atlantic Ocean, west of Great Britain.
All of the above reveal a couple of "facts"
  • Aliens speak English (very well)
  • Aliens use computers compatible with the i386 instruction set
  • Aliens use the ANSI/ASCII codification for their communications
  • Aliens use the Cartesian Coordinate System to localize points on Earth's surface by means of Latitude and Longitude relative to, yes, Greenwich Meriadian and the Equator.
Though I believe some of the points to be debatable, overall it is just a plain fallacy. Really, History??? This particular episode has holes everywhere, I would even call this a bad faith approach with the only purpose of deceiving people!
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To be fair, if the aliens were actually sending a message to us, it would make sense to use the measurement systems that we've invented.

IMO, the big plausibility hole is that the aliens weren't clear enough.
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:13 AM
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Don't forget that they supposedly use 8 bits to the byte in their computer systems, and the same notation of bit values

It's amazing the lengths these people go to produce rubbish - the string "df32hd78h3278ge23ge7823ge78g!" could be decoded to "This string is a load of rubbish" if I just invented some sufficiently complex and highly specific arbitrary encoding for it, yet the fact that some people will actually watch a TV programme based on that is yet another stunning condemnation of humanity.
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