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Old 03-02-2012, 03:39 AM
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In recent times, History Channel has changed History for speculation, pawn shops, taxidermy, conspiracy theory (even involving the founding stone of the White House in the Freemasons' conspiracy), the end of the world (brought to you, courtesy of the Maya Civilization (TM)) and more. However, letting aside those matters, there's one that called my attention remarkably: Ancient Aliens and their advocates, especially Giorgio Tsoukalos (or however it is spelled) who attributes almost any technological knowledge in Human Civilization to Extraterrestrial Intelligence of unknown origins. Although a large part of the series' premise can be explained with simple human evolution and its consequences, it remains a small part which cannot simply be taken as a consequence of our knowledge or invention. As crazy as it sounds, Tsoukalos is right in some parts, like the extended use of 'magic' in our folklore. 'Magic' being the term used to describe an unknown technology. Imagine taking a trivial device to most of us to uncontacted tribes or people, like a cell phone or a portable television, you probably know what it is like.
That and many more things that somehow fit more adequately in the Ancient Alien theory than just pure imagination (though that would be a more reasonable explanation). Tsoukalos is also right when he says that our ancestors were not stupid but fails to mention that they might have been naive. Anyway, an interesting topic of debate.
So, ancient aliens could be real, but, if that's true, why have they not contacted us? What happened to them? Why did they come here?
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I happen to be writing a novel on this premise. The alien in question is lying to Tsoukalos.
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LOL! Remember, that we are unable to do some stuff does not necessarily imply that aliens can't!!!
Loved the South Park view of that peculiar aspect:

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I secretly hope this turns into a meme thread and dies. But if there's really someone here who thinks there were ancient aliens, I guess I wouldn't mind actually talking about it.

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I secretly hope this turns into a meme thread and dies.
Or, you know, we could forget about the memes.
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I think that there's a possibility of (ancient) aliens visiting the Earth, though there's no conclusive evidence of such events, there isn't evidence they did not come. Besides, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence of "heavenly people" or "visitors from the stars. Unfortunately, that bit of proof needed to validate or invalidate the hypothesis, seems to be running away from us. Maybe in a not far future humans may say "look, they had all the evidence around them and yet, they didn't see it". Or simply, ancient aliens will be put to rest by a more solid science knowledge.
I believe it is a balanced point of view, much better than Tsoukalos attributing everything to aliens.
By the way, optic fiber and transistors were invented/developed by humans, there's no doubt about it!
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Someone wanna tell me the difference between aliens and ancient aliens?
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Well...

You *could* regard the human genome as self-refining biotechnology "bestowed" on us by our "alien" ancestors. After all, Earth was a very different planet millions of years ago--far away, even!

So yeah!! Ancient aliens all the way.
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I've been thinking about this lately. It's an interesting idea.

It would make sense to have an external affluence like aliens that kickstarted the development and taught humans how to destructively exploit the Earth. Otherwise it was just all evolution and there's no one to blame for this mess.
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This ancient aliens deal really reminds me of religion, which is funny, because many "researchers" attribute religions to possible ancient aliens. Both hypotheses have come about because we, as a society, feel we need to assign blame and cause to something external to ourselves.
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This ancient aliens deal really reminds me of religion, which is funny, because many "researchers" attribute religions to possible ancient aliens. Both hypotheses have come about because we, as a society, feel we need to assign blame and cause to something external to ourselves.
What if I blame you for everything that's happened in the world?
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I think that's perfect evidence of the Discovery channel's decay
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Yep. Discovery and History (especially History) are in free fall (except for Mythbusters, which Discovery Latinamerica refuses to air new episodes since 2009). But letting aside, for a moment, the origin of the "researchers", I think it is valid to raise a doubt on whether religions can be explained only by our need to survive. One thing that makes me think that, is the recurrence of "heavenly creatures" or "visitors from the sky" in almost every religion around the world. Considering the enormous distances separating each past civilization, the convergence of stories/legends about celestial creatures visiting Earth is remarkable. However, as you know, recurrence does not imply correlation and that may be the case. Anyway, not long ago, Science believed in "Aether" filling the space, now they call it "dark energy" Though the majority of the hypothesis of "Ancient Aliens" are just plain wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, some of them are proved to be true. But Tsoukalos is not helping the cause!!!
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Anyway, not long ago, Science believed in "Aether" filling the space, now they call it "dark energy"
Those are distinctly different things, and behave incredibly differently. (The aether is what light was supposed to propagate through, dark energy is responsible for the universe expanding.)
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