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Old 05-09-2012, 07:42 AM
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These gender double standards are amusing.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when someone will be saying to women that there are "real men" out there.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:47 AM
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...If that was the only message, he'd have made a documentary, and would certainly have not made a scifi epic with as many themes as it had - it would have worked basic plot-wise without them.
Ofcourse he also want to entertain, but a message that encourages activity and engament in our world do not contradict good entertainment. In that way Avatar actually is better than many other Hollywood products.

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...red, saying you like Avatar means nothing on its own. There are MANY people who like Avatar and don't want things from it directly, but they don't feel the need to complain about Avatar for having good looking characters or for causing people to like Pandora. By all means, you can very much not be physically attracted to Neytiri, but don't go making threads telling everyone else they shouldn't be and are bad and wrong for doing so and JC is for making a film with her in it...
People can do what they like, but still one can at least discuss different aspects of Avatar, or what Avatar in the best case really can be, its potential to actually make us want to change the world to something better. If people want to use it just for escapism that is of course their choice but I think Cameron had some greater ambitions for the film.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:50 AM
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These gender double standards are amusing.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when someone will be saying to women that there are "real men" out there.
Well, the phenomena of women preferring film characters over real men does also exist. It is of course also up to discussion.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:11 AM
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Well, the phenomena of women preferring film characters over real men does also exist. It is of course also up to discussion.
But what makes it all different is that men are expected to be the doers and initiators when it comes to dating and all that jazz.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:37 PM
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But what makes it all different is that men are expected to be the doers and initiators when it comes to dating and all that jazz.
True dat.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:54 PM
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I Beleave in creating Avatar Cameron wanted to do his duty as Global Stewerd and bring
peoples Awareness to issues "inside hummanity" seen from a new perspective , Our inner understanding instead of our "intellect" Cammeron took some of the most Sacred worldly Visions of issues involving global humanity understood by native peoples and there understanding of there place in the world , and found a respectful way to present them to our people in a way most of us simply "understand from the heart", I dont think even Cameron fully understood how strongly some our people would "connect" with this , But how he presented it is in my opinion one of the most creative examples of the power of filmmaking I have seen in my life, Avatar Realy has made a diffrence huge in the way we see the world and and In some places like Equador a huge diffrence in "real" peoples lives
Mirrored "minus the fantasy" almost exactly what the peoples there are going through "Now" 02 Ecuador - Na'vi of the Amazon, Avatar happens in Ecuador - YouTube
I have also noticed a behind the sceans "effort" in the Political media, a kind of smear campagin
targeting Cameron and Avatar Its not hard to see if one looks for its origanating source
the people behind the scenes doing this. The film has its flaws but as a whole realy
makes people deeply question our direction as a people.

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Old 05-18-2012, 09:52 PM
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I would hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but many have said that Earth or Gaia or what have you is itself an intelligent entity, and may turn or us.
Whateva...
Bear in mind, however, that extinction level events have happened before. Ask the dinosaurs. And don't forget how susceptable humans are to epidemics like the spanish flu or black death.
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:11 PM
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There is no one 'extinction event' per se; the Cretaceous/Palogene (Tertiary) boundary is the commonly cited one, but was a period of time, not a single impact (although there were several large ones, they aren't a sole cause in and of themselves and many people question their impact at all - they get overstated thanks to films like Deep Impact and Armageddon (the latter beving the second worst science of ANY film as assessed by NASA)). In any case, it didn't happen because objects were attracted to Earth, it happens because similarly sized impacts do recur, on long timescales. Not even humans can control objects in space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretac...tinction_event

Gaia was an analogy. Not even James Lovelock (the author of the books) thinks Earth is actually sentient (and has subsequently admitted he was wrong in several of his predictions). All it is is an explanation of hoemostasis packaged for the unscientific using analogies that often get taken too far.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:20 AM
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In looking at the core roots of Avatar and its very powerful mirror story
one can see it for some it points to a very deep part of our primal core understanding, this in our people has been profoundly damaged in such a way that as a whole our people fail to see the underlying roots that are the cause of what on could call "Our Broken Bonds" a lot of people look on Avatar as an enviromental awareness film "but" no film has ever dug down through so many levels of deep into our core understanding that forms the foundation of our true core Sense of place in our world , and Core accountabilty a part of every humans fundamental core understanding its universal no mater what culture or place on e comes from I beleave that Cameron created the film to of course emntertain but whah the film touches on while doing so that is my intrest And I mean this in a good way.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:33 PM
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That's well said.

Three years ago, my mother said it was too "fierce" (not sure this is the best translation) movie for a sensitive person like her. I used to think she said that that because of the violence. But now I think she was talking about the psychological hit.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:14 PM
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True

It made people think with their mind and feel the situation deep inside. It's a reflection of what is happening here. People had to take action and they still do, Avatar was the trigger. The message is a concern, a wake up call. For what ? We all know for what.
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How do you define a "fundamental core understanding"? Because all there really is, at the very instinctual core of every being, are simple urges: Eat, mate, and survive. That's all. Anything else is a layer on top of that. Certainly, the majority of the higher processes are similar in different people, but there's no common way of thinking; people are not the same in personality, experience, memory or way of approaching things. To me, that's what makes humanity valuable, that everyone has something different to contribute.

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These gender double standards are amusing.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when someone will be saying to women that there are "real men" out there.
Very likely. As things currently stand, misandry is the only widely accepted form of sexism.

Equality means treating everyone equally. Anything else is a Harrison Bergeron situation in microcosm.
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How do you define a "fundamental core understanding"? Because all there really is, at the very instinctual core of every being, are simple urges: Eat, mate, and survive. That's all. Anything else is a layer on top of that. Certainly, the majority of the higher processes are similar in different people, but there's no common way of thinking; people are not the same in personality, experience, memory or way of approaching things. To me, that's what makes humanity valuable, that everyone has something different to contribute.
Amen to that. To me the message of Avatar lies in showing us a part of understanding that we miss; The mentality of maintaining a society that functions.
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