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Old 06-30-2015, 12:40 PM
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I, myself, see happiness as what makes one fulfilled. Everyone has there own things that make them happy. But what is it that makes many people unhappy in today's world? We go to school, we learn, we are smarter than we were. Even people with large bank accounts and everything they could ask for are still depressed. Why is that? Because even though technology has given people everything they could ask for, it still can't fulfill them.
But how is this the fault of technology?

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I am mostly indifferent to advancements made. They have their positives but they also have their negatives. I'm proud of us as a species to be able to innovate and create. But then we use the things we create with little thought as to how they affect us in the long run. What have we as humans created that hasn't somehow created a negative action somewhere else?
You're right, recklessness and negligence often creates negative side effects. Should we raise awareness of that? Yes. Should that stagnate us? I strongly disagree.

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What you don't see is what causes disease and injury. Leading cause of death is Cardiovascular disease, then Cancer, then Chronic lower respiratory diseases. What causes these? Poor Diet, Pollution, low physical activity level, stress. Too many people driving in smog filled cities to supermarkets to buy pre-prepared fat and preservative filled foods after a long work day. As a result we have to create the medicine to fix many of the problems we, ourselves, create.
Yes, you've described some of the problems with living in a urban environment. But what exactly are you proposing here? How does that relate to your original point that science and technology don't substantially improve lifespan?

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Yes, its true. Agriculture does encroach on the natural order of an ecosystem. But, as population increased, so did the need for Agriculture. Many Native American tribes hunted and gathered because there was enough local food sources to support themselves. But yes, even Native Americans farmed. But it was a non chemical, organic farm and wasn't near the size, scale, or environmental impact of modern day farms.
At the end of the day it's about controlling population growth, and how to reasonably sustain the existing population. Regardless of what happened historically, we can't magically reduce the population now so abruptly, short of global warfare or unleashing some epidemic. You correctly point out the problems of modern agriculture, but what are you proposing as a solution? Technology is unfortunately an enabler of the explosive growth in population, but I think it can also offer solutions to the problem, though a purely technical solution might not be sufficient. I suggest reading Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons, as he has some interesting perspectives on this.
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Old 07-12-2015, 04:12 AM
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But how is this the fault of technology?
Because many societies teach their young that the more you have, the better off you are. This was true thousands of years ago, just as today though, the more powerful ranked the man, the bigger his house. Generally.

But people, further strive for more and more. As well as advancing technology more and more to fulfill there wants and desires. Technology isn't solely responsible for this behavior. It still allows it to continue and grow as well though.


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You're right, recklessness and negligence often creates negative side effects. Should we raise awareness of that? Yes. Should that stagnate us? I strongly disagree.
Yes, we should raise awareness of problems, but just as drug awareness is preached to students during school. The problem is far from solved and nothing can be done because people still want it. Just as people still will want new, bigger, and better things. Bigger TV's, Faster cars, smarter computers. Until everyone wants change, it will still go on. And until everyone see's the problem and can come to terms with it. Things will continue as they are.

It's a never ending quest that will have powerful repercussions when the cycle finally stumbles and falls apart.



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Yes, you've described some of the problems with living in a urban environment. But what exactly are you proposing here? How does that relate to your original point that science and technology don't substantially improve lifespan?
It relates because we have modern medicine and people don't out live by many years their ancient counter parts. Many men born thousands of years ago lived well into there 70's and 80's. Given the advances in the past thousand years in modern medicine. Why aren't many people greatly surpassing this number? I will give modern medicine and medical practice credit though. Infant mortality rates have decreased since the early 1900's when doctors didn't care to wash there hands between operations and delivering a baby. Which is a good thing.



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At the end of the day it's about controlling population growth, and how to reasonably sustain the existing population. Regardless of what happened historically, we can't magically reduce the population now so abruptly, short of global warfare or unleashing some epidemic. You correctly point out the problems of modern agriculture, but what are you proposing as a solution? Technology is unfortunately an enabler of the explosive growth in population, but I think it can also offer solutions to the problem, though a purely technical solution might not be sufficient. I suggest reading Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons, as he has some interesting perspectives on this.
Population reduction is possible. If people would reduce there offspring to one or two that would bring a balance and stop population growth. Then a little thought could be used and find a good balance between Earth and Us. Because without Earth, there wouldn't be an Us. And with too many of Us we could loose the Earth. But as you said, this isn't a technological problem. Its a people problem. And people have created many forms of technology to help support more and more people. But one day the rate of people growth will outgrow what we can develop and innovate to keep the balance and by then it will be too late.
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Because many societies teach their young that the more you have, the better off you are. This was true thousands of years ago, just as today though, the more powerful ranked the man, the bigger his house. Generally.

But people, further strive for more and more. As well as advancing technology more and more to fulfill there wants and desires. Technology isn't solely responsible for this behavior. It still allows it to continue and grow as well though.
Sorry but I don't find your arguments rigorous or convincing. Seems like you're describing a societal issue. I don't see how technology changes that, and without technology the same description applies to the South in Antebellum America.

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Yes, we should raise awareness of problems, but just as drug awareness is preached to students during school. The problem is far from solved and nothing can be done because people still want it. Just as people still will want new, bigger, and better things. Bigger TV's, Faster cars, smarter computers. Until everyone wants change, it will still go on. And until everyone see's the problem and can come to terms with it. Things will continue as they are.

It's a never ending quest that will have powerful repercussions when the cycle finally stumbles and falls apart.
It's true that technological advances have fueled mindless consumerism, but focusing the blame on technology does not address the core societal issues. Again, Hardin's essay The Tragedy of the Commons has some interesting discussions on this (even though there are certain aspects I disagree with).

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It relates because we have modern medicine and people don't out live by many years their ancient counter parts. Many men born thousands of years ago lived well into there 70's and 80's. Given the advances in the past thousand years in modern medicine. Why aren't many people greatly surpassing this number?
You'd be better off citing a few sources and look at average lifespan. Even in the times of the Black Death you can single out individuals who lived long lives even by today's standards.

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Population reduction is possible. If people would reduce there offspring to one or two that would bring a balance and stop population growth. Then a little thought could be used and find a good balance between Earth and Us. Because without Earth, there wouldn't be an Us. And with too many of Us we could loose the Earth. But as you said, this isn't a technological problem. Its a people problem. And people have created many forms of technology to help support more and more people. But one day the rate of people growth will outgrow what we can develop and innovate to keep the balance and by then it will be too late.
You seem to be arguing that as long as technology continues to advance, the population will continue to grow at an sustainable rate. The problem is that most developed countries actually have very low population growth. In fact, in these countries the population generally plateaus.

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Old 08-14-2015, 04:18 AM
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I think we definitely should try to get back to nature more. I do think we have put to much faith in technology in terms of creating happiness, that being said I don't think we should completely abandon technology, but we do need to learn to be RESPONSIBLE with it, I mean I'm nearsighted, without any tech I would not be able to enjoy the sky which would be devastating to me, so there is good that can be done and has been done, but we need to respect the power that it gives us to use resources, and reign in our consumption.
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