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Old 03-31-2010, 11:30 AM
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In the thread "What are you eating Tree of Souls?" there's a lot of animal eating and that makes me so sad . The way people talk about them "porkchops ,beef, ham ooh so yummy" and so on, feels like there's no respect at all for the poor soul that involuntary sacrificed his/her life. I feel that everyone should be treated with love and respect based on their ability to feel and not on their sex, race or species. I think some skypeople "dont see" the pain and suffering we are causing non human animals every day, every hour, every second. (I don't think a Na'vi would ever eat an animal from a slaughterhouse)

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(I don't mean to accuse anyone, just trying to tell how I feel)
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:46 AM
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Yeah I feel kind of the same way, saying "beef is delicious" is kind of weird now that I think about it. A lot of the people here have changed their ways though, they now think more about where the meat has come from and respect that fact rather than just mindlessly consuming it.

I myself am a pescatarian, have been for 2 months now and I have to say it has changed my views a lot...
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That comes across as rather pointed, sort of "why don't you follow my dietary method?"

I'm free to choose my diet, as are you. I'd like to simply leave it at that and stop judging people.
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I'm never going to stop eating meat, it's how humans evolved. I don't feel sorry about it for a moment, but I always respect the animal. I never waste anything, and where possible I try to buy organic/free range (not always possible as that stuff is expensive, I admit) and I don't eat it hugely often, just a couple of times a week.
If I could hunt for food, I would certainly try it, unfortunately there really isn't anything around here.

I agree with shatnerpossum though, everyone has the right to their own decision.
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Anima, I can see your point. We should have more respect for the animals that we eat, I hate how most cattle farmers treat their animals and that's why I prefer buying organic food from well-known sources if I have the opportunity to do that.

I'm not going to be a vegetarian anytime soon, as I think that we need nutrients from all types of food.

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Old 03-31-2010, 12:45 PM
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That comes across as rather pointed, sort of "why don't you follow my dietary method?"

I'm free to choose my diet, as are you. I'd like to simply leave it at that and stop judging people.
I'm sorry you feel that way, in what way was I beeing judgemental?

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I'm never going to stop eating meat, it's how humans evolved. I don't feel sorry about it for a moment, but I always respect the animal. I never waste anything, and where possible I try to buy organic/free range (not always possible as that stuff is expensive, I admit) and I don't eat it hugely often, just a couple of times a week.
If I could hunt for food, I would certainly try it, unfortunately there really isn't anything around here.

I agree with shatnerpossum though, everyone has the right to their own decision.
Of course everyone has right to their own desicions, but very much of our decisions affect others life. If I make a decision to punch you in the face, that very much affects your life, right? .

But I think it's great that you thinking about your choices (like you don't have to eat meat everyday and you try to buy free range and so on), IMO that is very important. To be aware.
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Yeah I feel kind of the same way, saying "beef is delicious" is kind of weird now that I think about it. A lot of the people here have changed their ways though, they now think more about where the meat has come from and respect that fact rather than just mindlessly consuming it.

I myself am a pescatarian, have been for 2 months now and I have to say it has changed my views a lot...
I also want to believe that a lot of people have change their ways and think about their choices

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Anima, I can see your point. We should have more respect for the animals that we eat, I hate how most cattle farmers treat their animals and that's why I prefer buying organic food from well-known sources if I have the opportunity to do that.

I'm not going to be a vegetarian anytime soon, as I think that we need nutrients from all types of food.

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That's what I mean, the awareness is very important. To see and sometimes change our ways.

We all feel different about this issue obviously, but it makes at least me feel so much better when people at least think about the consequences of their actions.

As a vegetarian (and of course vegan) you have to put out with a lot of attitude and often harsh words in almost all dinnersituaions in public/social situations and I would just great to not have to explain oneself everytime. That people could just see why we made this choice...

(And regarding the healthpoint I'm a lot healthier than my meateating friends, I'm almost never sick and and don't have any health issiues. And don't eat any pills either )
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You explicitly implied that because we eat meat, we are "sky people" who don't respect anything. Thats why I said you came across as judgmental.
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You explicitly implied that because we eat meat, we are "sky people" who don't respect anything. Thats why I said you came across as judgmental.
I think that's a litte bit extreme interpretation of what I wrote and that's not what I meant anyway. And I really tried to not step on anybodys toes. I was trying to tell my feelings and see what other people in a forum like this felt, not to tell everyone to do what I say/think (English is not my first language and it makes me a litte bit insecure as well)
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I know its probably not what you meant, thats why I just said it came across that way. This way you know it sounds a bit judgmental.

You asked why, and I told you. And if you ever need English help, just ask.
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(And regarding the healthpoint I'm a lot healthier than my meateating friends, I'm almost never sick and and don't have any health issiues. And don't eat any pills either )
There are people on either side who claim to be healthier, I know I am healthier than every vegetarian I know (admittedly, not many of them, but I still am), and without needing to take anything. Really doesn't prove anything either way, it's just a difference in individuals (also, probably people thinking 'I do/don't eat/do x so that makes me healthier' - if you believe it, it likely has an actual effect).

Shatnerpossum is right again, even if it wasn't intentional, it did come off as fairly judgemental (your actual English is fine though).
Anyway, the Na'vi eat meat, they just do it right, like more people should.
Humans never evolved to be herbivores, we can't even digest cellulose, and there's a reason so many vegetarians get anaemia.

I still think it's everyone's choice, one person in my family is a vegetarian, and I know they can still be healthy if they make sure they get enough protein, iron and various vitamins plants mostly lack. It just doesn't make any sense to me personally.
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Whatever you feel about it the simple facts are:

meatproduction leads to a lot of suffering and it's negative inpact on the enviroment is significant

(...animal agriculture is a large source of greenhouse gases and is responsible for 18 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalents. By comparison, all of the world's transportation (including all cars, trucks, buses, trains, ships, and planes) emits 13.5 percent of the CO2. Animal farming produces 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide and 37 percent of all human-induced methane. Methane has about 21 times more Global Warming Potential (GWP) than carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide has 296 times the GWP of CO2] - wikipedia )

And it's not necessary for our health and/or happiness
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I understand where you are coming from, I realize that the animals are not treated the best etc etc etc...However, we as people are meat eaters, Im sure this is something you can understand. Now me personally I need that meet, I would not do well being a vegetarian. So while buying from local farmers, organic etc is an option I am a poor college student and that will not happen.

You may view us "sky people" as showing appreciation but I pray before my meals, thank for the food on my plate and such. I will always enjoy a big ol' steak and burger though. Would you think it better if I were killing chickens in my backyard and eating those? (I have done that btw lol)
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Well, I know what you mean, and personally I have to buy the organic grass-fed beef anyways for health reasons (not the hormone-fed kind), but think of it this way:
We are meant to eat meat. We're omnivores. And, what are you really doing by not eating meat anway? The chicken/cow/whatever has already been killed, and now its just sitting there in the grocery store being wasted. Just saying. Don't mean to offend or anything :p
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Hi Dreamwalker, nice to have a jake fan girl here

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We are meant to eat meat. We're omnivores.
This only means that we can digest meat, not that we should or have to

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And, what are you really doing by not eating meat anway? The chicken/cow/whatever has already been killed, and now its just sitting there in the grocery store being wasted. Just saying. Don't mean to offend or anything :p
No offence taken

If noone bought the meat it wouldt be in the stores for long. Money talks...
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