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Old 03-19-2011, 02:13 PM
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I am very shaken by the events in Japan, too, i've been seeing one natural disaster after the other since I moved to Spain (2005), & of course I was always sorry for the victims, I usually say a prayer for the peace of souls, and maybe make a donation. But that was "more disasters on the news" whereas this time it was something really deep, something private.

This morning waking dream. I am reading The Goddesses of Each Woman, about the archetypes of 7 Greek goddesses, & I got to Demeter - the one who rules growth, fertility, nutrition, in short “Nature-goddess”, "mother-goddess". While I was shifting in and out of the dream I saw her image - a beautiful, rather curvaceous woman, shining with health. I told her that I wanted a hug - we are supposed to be strong, winners,badasses - but heck, some love & comfort are needed! She put me in her lap (she was so much bigger), & first I felt comfortable & “taken care of”, but I started musing on Japan's quake & tsunami, then saw the Hiroshima & Nagasaki explosions, then Michael Jackson's "Earth Song" drifted in... when I looked back on the goddess I was horrified! She suddenly was greyish, emaciated, with sores all over the place & little hair. I was shocked, saying: “Oh my, dear, what happened to you, what made you so sick?” She was only crying. Then it dawned on me that it was radiation sickness, & I was shocked even more, it was me who was hugging her this time (softly in order not to cause her even more pain), & I tried to get some reply, like “Dear, love, I feel horrible that you feel like this, but tell me what to do!” She looked and said: “Me, hurt” & kept crying. I was about to pull my hair out, what the hell we are doing to the planet! It’s really bad, the human beings are messing with atomic energy & so many things that they cannot control, we are like monkeys in a starship pressing all buttons we can reach - and look what’s happening. I was feeling very frustrated & impotent, & kept insisting on how I can help, or what to do.

Then the scene shifted into Pandorrean environment, a forest with a big tree close to a river, and I saw her... a bit better. Better skin tone, less sores, more hair... it looked as if the healing process started. And she kept looking and looking at me as if trying to convey some message that I wasn’t getting, but at least it looked like she felt less pain.

Anyway, the only conclusion I got from that waking dream was to talk to Avatar people – since the dream ended on Pandora, with the Nature goddess feeling a little bit better... I decided that I should share it here on ToS. Of course it’s "just a dream", but me waking up crying because the Earth is suffering from the radiation/contamination sickness... that really moved something in me. I don’t know, just sharing, imho we are in the same boat – for good or for bad...
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Trust me when I say I know exactly what you mean. I've had similar 'experiences' - and truly touching ones.

Perhaps it's true, what they say - that the greatest of revelations can only come from within ourselves.
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Trust me when I say I know exactly what you mean. I've had similar 'experiences' - and truly touching ones.

Perhaps it's true, what they say - that the greatest of revelations can only come from within ourselves.
I see you...
What about your experiences from within yourself? Do you share them? I am VERY cautious about it, this one had shaken me like AVATAR shaken me before in more global-existential sense, and somehow positive, but this was painful and more "inside" - but i thought it was not only for me so I started the first thread ever
I have "experiences" often, lucky me, I meditate regularly but I know all people don't. So I feel that I get lots of info - and am guided by it - but what next? will I be able to transmit it? what words to find? is it worth it? is it the right thing to do?

What do you do about your revelations?
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I have "experiences" often, lucky me, I meditate regularly but I know all people don't. So I feel that I get lots of info - and am guided by it - but what next? will I be able to transmit it? what words to find? is it worth it? is it the right thing to do?
I could have said these exact words myself. As for personal experiences and revelations - I do prefer not to share them in public - since they touch subjects that are often sources of many misunderstandings, I like to avoid that.

I cna say though, they do come in many different forms - sprung from meditation, lucid dreaming, or... things entirely beyond that.
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I could have said these exact words myself. As for personal experiences and revelations - I do prefer not to share them in public - since they touch subjects that are often sources of many misunderstandings, I like to avoid that.
precisely my point of view.

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I cna say though, they do come in many different forms - sprung from meditation, lucid dreaming, or... things entirely beyond that.
oh, absolutely! Like, Avatar OST chasing me for about half a year - continuously in my head - & then I got a "message" that was so important that I probably lived all my life just to hear that! songs are important (at least to me). and other ways of course. There's no limit for "the flow of energy within all things".
thanks a lot Eltu.
I haven't noticed a "thumbs up" smiley on your smiling list, if it were, I would have put it here. But it's ok

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I haven't noticed a "thumbs up" smiley on your smiling list, if it were, I would have put it here. But it's ok
I meant, ToS smileys list

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I hear you and I understand. Never been through a natural disaster like an earthquake or landslide, but I was witness to a mass flooding of a city during the summer of 2003, it was pretty scary though. I was wondering that in the next second I won't be alive and everything even the house I was inside will be taken away by the strong floods, at that time I didn't knew or experienced nature's wrath. But one thing caught my eye immediately. People weren't unite. Only the second day people gathered to clean the streets of debris and dirt left by the water. Later I learned that people were scared. But this isn't a reason, to be scared, when you need to save people you don't need to be scared. And people weren't scared in Japan, because of self control, education and discipilin. They began to be scared after the disaster, when things started to show more clearly, they were scared because they had no home where to head to.

Leaving all the conspiracies and bad mouths behind, Earth as Gaia or "Eywa" is a Goddess. She protects us and we need to protect her. But we stepped wrong when trying to think that digging her will make us rich. As a matter of fact, we got more poor with each day, selling and exploiting resources and also wanting more. We have our representants, we are humans with human representants and we all will face the consequences, doesn't matter who's the richer or who's the poorer. Even the Bible says that "the last of humans will be the first of the humans". The last will be the first to what ? To die. Our contribution to the destruction of our "mother" has reached a climax. We can't just exploit and abuse the resources without a result, we just can't... it's a pre-written law.

"The flow of energy in all things" is also a law. A law of living nature. Everytime I go to a forest I feel a giant flow of energy going within me, from toes to head then to my hands and my entire body. It's a feeling that makes you never get out of there, but you always have to wake up. That's why humanity becomes a stranger each day to its own home, Earth.
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I got chills going down the spine when reading that. I haven't had such symbolic dreams, but instead, dreams involving terrifying real life situations I have seen in person. They come into my dreams.. and just like IRL, all I can do is to watch, cry and try to ignore.

I have really learned a lot about myself via dreams. I'd love to share some, and hear yours too.
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Actually, there's only a very slight increase in disasters worldwide, whats changed however, is the speed news travels. Thanks to these here internets, information about them is accessible to almost everybody instantly. Couldn't do that 20 years ago. (hell, even 10 years ago for a majority of people) People are just better informed these days.
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I saw all the replies & I am grateful for all the opinions, whether I agree or not.
But I am at work now, "a Navi soul in a human avatar having to attend to sky person's obligations" that nobody else can attend to.

I'll write later, but THANKS for responding, again.
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Thank you for sharing this, Apache. You have such interesting dreams, mine are usually much more confused. Instead, I seem to have a sensitivity to such messes. Since the beginning of the nuclear disaster there, I almost could not move physically from pain in the spine - and this week, as the workers were withdrawn from the plant because of increased radiation I got sick enough to stay at home. Such stuff (also last years gulf spill) really gets to me physically which really can be very annoying - I think I'd prefer having some weird dreams
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Again, I am very happy to see all your replies. I'll try to reply to all in this message, hope it's all right??

@Eltu: we’ll PM when the time is right.

@Tsawke Iheyu: ohhh, the flood experience must have been a strong one. I haven’t been thru such “Nature’s wrath” altho I had the Death at a hair breadth from my nose on more than one occasion (but I am still here so that’s meant to be ). But your phrase that the people were not united caught my attention, too. Being scared is a natural emotional reaction, in fact, fear plays its important part in the survival – it warns you of a danger. But in such situations to put the panic “on hold” and do what one can in spite of being scared – it’s bordering with heroism and it is also the rightest thing. Like during the tsunami 2004: there was a girl on the beach who studied oceanology, & she instantly knew by the state of the sea that a tsunami was coming. I guess she was extremely scared, too, but instead of running for her life she chose to run around the beach and to shout the warning to everybody - & I am sure she saved many lives.
Coming back to being united or not – “Divide and rule” was the reason of many invasions being successful. And sometimes I think: Do we always need a Toruk Makto to call us for union? Or are we able to open our eyes & learn just a bit from the past?
About the Goddess... I can say more, if you are interested, ask here – or PM me.
@Fosus: about sharing dreams – gladly! In fact I’ve been waiting for this invitation for quite a while... The options that I see:
1. PM-ing. Normally I prefer to keep it private (the reasons are in our conversation with Eltu in the beginning of the thread). But sometimes I break my own rules when I just can’t shut up – like this time.
2. For this (a very important experience that you really feel like sharing in public)... There’s a thread called Pandora Dreams (or smth). It’s a good option but the problem is that I write a lot & my dreams are very long, cinematographic & full of details, & if yours are similar, it will be walls & walls of text. A possible solution is...
3. Erm... a new topic under General Forums? For dreams, & also coincidencies, flash (or not) visions, meditations... the “out there” stuff . Maybe it could be called 6D Vision or smth. I am sure many ToS inhabitants would like an opportunity to “unload & download” this type of data. Especially in terms of learning something from the experiencies, SEEing... I guess at least one administrator is “watching us right now” (like Navi were watching the Dreamwalkers). So... just an idea.
I promise you, not all my dreams are to send chills down your spine. Some are very full of hope & inspiration, I wanted to share them but was not sure about the response. Maybe I’ll be braver, now that you’ve inspired me
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@Isard: yes, I agree that news travel faster. And that natural disasters have been happening on this planet long before humans were here. Japan, for one, has a long sad history of tsunamis & earthquakes.
But what is really worrying is when the force of the natural disaster is aggravated by the human interference. Like this nuclear threat now in Japan. Or like a landslide in Africa: it would have happened anyway, but the fact that the trees on the mountain slope were cut by a wood company meant that their roots were not holding the soil anymore, thus the impact was much worse that it could have been otherwise. Sadly, the people who lived on that mountain came there trying to escape from a war And so on and so forth.

@Aurora: yeah, you know a bit more about my dreams than anybody on ToS - weird, eh. And I know you “impersonally well enough”, & that it’s not the first time you fall gravely ill when an ecological disaster happens. Dreams could be an answer of why it is happening to you, & what you’re supposed to do with your personal Earth pain. I mentioned maybe writing for some green life magazine, or giving classes on ecology could be a way to “channel the pain”. Why not? You’re a good writer, Dr. Grace

Anyway, to conclude... in some strange way, I am even glad that the Nature showed its muscles and said: “I am the boss!” Maybe it will make us think... for a change...
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