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Old 08-29-2011, 02:16 PM
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This is really cool XD Octopuses (Octopi? I don't know the plural) are great and would make great rulers of Earth if we ceased to be, probably better ones than us
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Nah, cuttlefish are better.

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Very interesting
A lot of the more intelligent animals aren't understood as well as they could be (e.g. crows, which use tools similarly to primates).

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More seriously, that was amazing, I didn't know octopi were so smart. I wonder how long it will take them to evolve sentience.
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On the other hand, 'evolving sentience' is not something that will happen at some point. Evolution is not a programmed path. Real life is not Pokemon. For them to do so would require some selective pressure for the more intelligent to survive and reproduce more often than random chance would give as an advantage to any individual.
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That could take hundreds of thousands of years, according to scientists featured in that documentary.
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In the BBC TV-series "The Future is Wild" they speculated about future cephalopods that had taken the leap up on land. One of these, the "squibbon" even lived up in the trees. The squibbon also showed remarkable intelligens and could be the next really intelligent being on the planet (since man had disappeared many, many million years earlier).

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By the way, meet Sheena 5, a future space-squid invented by SF-writer Stephen Baxter:

Talking Squids in Outer Space Features SHEENA 5, by Stephen Baxter

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BRO! I saw that series when I was young and impressionable. The next day, I went to school to my fifth grade class and told everyone about it. They probably thought I was nuts Anyway, ever since then, there has been a special place in my heart for cephalopods
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:35 AM
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It left an impression on me as well and I only saw it a month or two ago. Now I cannot even think of eating octopus. I think of them as the superior to man..Eventually they can be in charge of the earth and I wonder what they will do about the Earth's situation..
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Again, there would need to be a selective pressure for that to happen. Evolution does not work like in pokemon
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Again, there would need to be a selective pressure for that to happen. Evolution does not work like in pokemon
Oh, you mean like the selective pressure that is happening right now off the coast of Capri? With the younger octopuses now actively learning from the adult ones?

I don't think anyone is saying it's going to happen tomorrow, just that the possibility is there.
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Oh, you mean like the selective pressure that is happening right now off the coast of Capri? With the younger octopuses now actively learning from the adult ones?

I don't think anyone is saying it's going to happen tomorrow, just that the possibility is there.
Those octopi had the ability to learn selected for, and a different selective pressure probably killed off the octopi that were not able to learn from their elders. Then the ones that could learn survived and taught each other, and so learning as a trait often becomes exponentially more common in the population of the organism in question.

This happens more often in nature than many people realize, and it isn't some kind of miracle.
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Those octopi had the ability to learn selected for, and a different selective pressure probably killed off the octopi that were not able to learn from their elders. Then the ones that could learn survived and taught each other, and so learning as a trait often becomes exponentially more common in the population of the organism in question.

This happens more often in nature than many people realize, and it isn't some kind of miracle.
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Again, there would need to be a selective pressure for that to happen. Evolution does not work like in pokemon
Eugh don't you think I know that? (I've seen this documentary and I know that it will take some 150 000 years or so.) Didn't you read my post when I said "Eventually they can be in charge of the earth"?
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That will only happen if there is some selective pressure for intelligence - e.g. improved survival rates from tool use and communication.
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That will only happen if there is some selective pressure for intelligence - e.g. improved survival rates from tool use and communication.
And? I'm still not getting your point - we KNOW THIS. Theorizing about the future (and/or going 'ooh, shiny') doesn't mean we are ignorant.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:31 AM
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And? I'm still not getting your point - we KNOW THIS. Theorizing about the future (and/or going 'ooh, shiny') doesn't mean we are ignorant.
This is getting ridiculous..Ashen is right.
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