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Old 12-29-2012, 03:34 PM
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Default First Nations "Idle No More" Movement Begins in Canada

FIrst nations peoples deeply moved by the meaning of Chief Theresa Spence's hunger Strike (She herself speaks on her reasons for doing so here)
Chief Spence exclusive interview CBC December 18, 2012 - YouTube
Have formed a nation wide movement called "Idle No More" which is a call for first nation leaders and peoples to come together and have there voices heard. Her simple request a meeting with the Prime minister Harper to address through dialog the faiiling relations betwean "The people" and the Canadian Goverment addressing some very deep wounds here going back through generations and deep core issues happening "today" with changes in the policy protecting native treaty rights. Chief Spencer herself speaks on her deep pain in seeing the changes that her people are going through "today" with the goverments disrespect of native lands and nature, and there childrens loss of Traditional langage and values, this is being forced apon them by a system that is distroying there root core values as a people. I urge people here raise there collective voices in support of Canada's First nations peoples this movement has spread world wide with rallys in support of native rights and mother earth taking place in Egypt and Russia, The Media as a whole in the United states have chosen not to report on this issue so quite a number of people are still unaware
lets hope this movement remains non violent


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Old 12-29-2012, 05:45 PM
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Haha, come to Winnipeg for a week or two.
They have very little interest in their "heritage".
They do have interest in your wallet and cellphone, though.
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Native or non native when you force a people into poverty you run into issues with crime, drugs,and gangs and broken familys, native peoples being "forced" to fit into our "mold" this creates all kinds of problems with Broken Bonds to ones core sense of place in our world and core accountabilty thats not saying that native peoples want to live in the woods and hunt for food its there broken core community going back generations that reflects on our peoples actions throughout history there are a lot of very deep wounds going back generations that our people "do not see".
as many of us only look skin deep, put oneself in there shoes and look back the other way.
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:12 AM
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@drezus Red Winter- "Fantastic use of music to motivate masses. Educate the people at the roots and the tree will withstand anything. Dig deep" (youtube user commit not mine)

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Old 01-01-2013, 06:23 PM
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Once again, making excuses for crime.
It's poverty. We forced them into poverty.

Bull-****ing-****.
I can put myself in their shoes and look back the other way. Or, I can put myself in their shoes and focus on the now.

Oh, pay my rent just for going to university, with extra money left over?
Oh, you'll hire me just because I'm an aboriginal, even though the white, indian, and hispanic guys were all more qualified for the job?

The more excuses you make for people committing crimes and not getting their **** together, the longer it is going to take for things to change.
I lost most of my respect for the aboriginal people when I moved to the city.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:17 AM
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I actually have to agree - if they want to improve their lives, good for them, and support for those who need it and want to make something of themselves with it is a great cause, but that doesn't extend to outright preferential treatment and reverse discrimination (AKA 'affirmative action' by the politically correct).

I'm reminded of the old saying about teaching a man to fish. It's still as true as ever.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:58 AM
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Once again, making excuses for crime.
It's poverty. We forced them into poverty.

Bull-****ing-****.
I can put myself in their shoes and look back the other way. Or, I can put myself in their shoes and focus on the now.

Oh, pay my rent just for going to university, with extra money left over?
Oh, you'll hire me just because I'm an aboriginal, even though the white, indian, and hispanic guys were all more qualified for the job?

The more excuses you make for people committing crimes and not getting their **** together, the longer it is going to take for things to change.
I lost most of my respect for the aboriginal people when I moved to the city.
Forced them Into Poverty is not the right words , Forced to play by our systems "rules" and in there not so distant past having there children forced
into Re-education Schools system run by Catholic Church as well as the Anglican church "Core source" Canadian Indian residential school system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Native peoples have there "own" leaders and Laws" that are not respected by the Canadian goverment, its very true there No excuse to commit crimes but most people wont dig deep enougth to see the core roots to why native youth have serious issues with drugs, gangs ,and commiting Crimes, they can"t see the inner stress native youth face in the culture clash and deep wounds many carry from the Residentual school system which humiliated Native youth for there core spiritual roots ( Thestar.com: Former Native residential school student speaks - YouTube ) If one wants to see the roots of many native issues and deep feelings of resentment today take an honest look at the "Doctrine Of Discovery" and the residentual schools settlement aggrement as well as the "Indian Act"
Preliminary Study Shows ‘Doctrine of Discovery’ Legal Construct Historical Root for Ongoing Violations of Indigenous Peoples’ Rights, Permanent Forum Told
You are right to speak up on my statement about Being forced into poverty
but If one "sees" the Democracy system and its ways at its core as "Wrong" its no wonder native peoples don"t trust a Goverment that won't respect the voice of there leaders ,or honor customs and laws.
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A line must be drawn for when enough generations have passed to stop the special treatment. In my opinion, it should be two, but I know that subject is taboo and I was once called racist for even bringing it up. I believe that at least in the case of the US and Canada, such a time has already passed and integration should not even be an issue now.
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A line must be drawn for when enough generations have passed to stop the special treatment. In my opinion, it should be two, but I know that subject is taboo and I was once called racist for even bringing it up. I believe that at least in the case of the US and Canada, such a time has already passed and integration should not even be an issue now.
If one listens to what Chief Spence touches on it becomes an issue of two
world views and this reflects around the term "Colonialism" and ones core sense of true freedom , Many native peoples not just First Nations are in an epic struggle to mantain there deep core identity and core values, many people may not understand this but in Canada like in the United States native childern where forced to attend residentual schools run by the Church
one would think this was an event of the "far distant past" but in Canada
the last residental was school closed in 1996, The Canadian goverment working through the media has tryed to spread misinformation and in some cases outright lies in there orgnised attempt to discredit her ,She has pulled out of a meeting with Harper and continued her hunger strike "because the presence of Gov. Gen. David Johnston is "integral" and he won't be there
she will not attend as the Governor General's attendance is integral when discussing inherent and treaty rights.
The Conservative government released the findings of a financial audit into the Attawapiskat First Nations this week, which revealed a lack of documentation for some $104 million in federal funding between 2005 and 2011
An Idle No More spokesperson told Yahoo! Canada News that the timing of the audit’s release was political and meant to distract from the movement. Spence similarly claimed the released was meant to discredit her.
Because they claim media where being used as a ploy to discredit Chief Spence
they where refused entry to the Attawapiskat reserve and asked to leave
On Victoria Island the island where she is located Toronto Star reporter was evicted by a group of men acting as security. as well. this had to do with very one sided media coverage about the Attawapiskat financial audit and this was the reason behind the media ban.
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It is essentially the same story as all native people experience. That was one of the points of James Cameron's movie. When Jake says to Grace, that the when corporate greed wants something, they do everything to invalidate the people who live on the land where that resource occurs. It is happening in the Amazon, it is even happening here in White America. People are becoming more and more complacent while government nd corporate greed herd them together.
But there are two very different groups of Aboriginal Peoples, Those who SEE and those who have given up. Unfortunately, those who have given up are very visible and present themselves in a very negative light, such as the ones whom Iron Jones has encountered. It makes it difficult to move forward when these types are working against the cause. I wish it only took two generations to rebuild a people, or a community, or a family. I don't have any solutions. I'm not pretending to be anyone's savior. But I can see all sides.
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Yes, there is still colonialism going on in Canada. And its a disgrace for Canada - there are treaties, there is a recognition of native land and "first nations". Yet still they just plan to put pipelines through the territories, dig up tar sands, dump the sh.t into the rivers andall that without a consensus agreement of the local people. They may be promised jobs and cellphones and some will take that and just be poor later when the mine leaves the town and the jobs are gone.
In Avatar terms it is like tearing down Hometree, digging up the unobtainium beneath but giving the Omaticaya jobs at the mine and a place in a boarding school where they can learn economics and mining engineering and once the mine is depleted, they just leave everything and go to the next site. But by then, there is no reason to stay there for anyone, if you want a job you have to follow (and there is no other way to feed yourself than taking that job) and after 2 generations then you are told to finally stop whining about the loss of your ancestral lands and just get on with life as a miner or engineer and use that education you are getting and not be so darn ungrateful about it - and stop talking nonsense about trees and ancestors and all that old stuff that is just nice to sell to tourists now.

I can very much understand the First nations people and they have my mental support - they are a bit far away to give them a hand or march with them. I know some have erected villages in the way of the proposed pipelines that the companies will have to clear out. But from all the impressions that I get of this Harper guy, he will not blink an eye in doing so - everything to sell more oil from Alberta to China and the US to make money... and because god will not send another biblical flood, climate change is not a topic anyways either. Thats a Harper quote...
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