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Old 03-19-2010, 11:15 AM
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We have enabled the donation module of the forum. You can find it in the navigation bar at the top of the forum.

I just want to explain a bit about it, and why it's there. It's no secret that running a large forum costs a bit of money. The load it puts on a server is far beyond what a cheap hosting plan can handle. Our current hosting cost is a little over $100 USD a month and will probably increase as we get more traffic.

We will always be completely open about how much we are receiving and how much the costs are. No one here has any intention of making one penny more than is needed to operate this place. Starting at the beginning of next month, there will be a donation progress bar so you all know exactly how much has come in and how much we still need to cover everything. Donations received before that time will go towards the considerable costs the admins have covered out-of-pocket. They will also be used to defray the cost of renewing our VBulletin license ($175), which must be done so we can get maintenance updates. This does NOT entail upgrading to VB4.

Donators, once verified, will be added to the donor usergroup, which will get you a bold Neytiri-blue username and a custom title should you wish it. Other benefits may be added, but really, you should only be donating if you feel it's something you'd like to do and you'd like to help support this community. There is NO obligation whatsoever, and no one is going to think less of any member because of it.
More then 8 people who are not admins or moderators have custom titles already and they haven't contributed anything except for being "friends" with certain people who spend whole day on IRC talking about crap.

If you want people to donate then everyone should be on the same terms.
I asked about the custom titles and expressed a wish to get one but all I got in respond was silence.

Not to mention that this forum has like way way too many admins, moderators and all kinds of other funky meaningless words that mean absolute nothing except for : " his my friend so he will be a super moderator".

All I see is the same AF moderator god like behavior all over again with the admins here. Some of you are already acting exactly like that, yes more ass kissing please.

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Old 03-19-2010, 11:32 AM
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I am sad that you feel that way, and that your request for a custom title was ignored.

For the people who already have custom titles - the reason they have it is *not* because they are simply "friends" but because they have been involved in the creation of the forum, most of them from the beginning, and has contributed very much to the making of the forums.

I understand your point. However, I would like you to name one single super moderator that has been made such for the reasons you describe.

The moderators are moderators either because they were with the forum creation from the beginning, or because they contribute greatly to the community.
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Old 03-19-2010, 03:15 PM
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All I wanted to point out was that you can't tell people that in exchange for a donation they will be able to get a custom title while you have 8 other people running around who were able to get one only because they have been a part of the community on AF and your friends with em or because they signed up at the first minute on the forums.

Prove me wrong please.

And before you say again that they HUGELY contributed to the forum in some unknown way(maybe by spamming Neytiri on IRC who knows ) I remember asking you if the titles are customizable for everyone since that's the first time that I noticed how about 65% of all people at that time on the forums had em except a few of us.
And what you said was that they simply asked for it. You didn't say anything else except that they asked an admin to change it for them.
So yea,gg.

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Old 03-19-2010, 03:40 PM
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I will reply to your statements in order.

The people you refer to have either been a part of the group who planned out these forums but not wanted to be a mod or similar - or people who has contributed greatly to the forums.

For example:
Xynth has a custom title - he was among the original group of forum members who planned ToS.
Immo39 also has a custom title for the very same reason.
Eonmokri has a custom title because she was a great aid in helping the forums to become partners.


Yes, they asked for it, and they got it because of the reasons I mentioned above.


But my main point is - the ones who donate hardly does it for a custom title. It is not a big deal, really. If you care about a custom title, we could enable custom titles for all users on the forums, sure thing

Just tell and I'll push the button. I'm not your enemy
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:56 PM
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I really don't care what you decide to do about this issue, its your right anyway and not my place to question it. I posted this in the feedback section because well, its a feedback and its here now. I expressed how I feel about it and I still think that if anyone actually decides to donate they will most likely think twice about it since its highly unfair that some have to pay while others get a free pass.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:50 PM
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First of all, it IS your place to question it - this is the whole meaning of these forums.

Second,

Donators do not HAVE to pay anything at all. They are doing it because they want to support the forums. They are not paying money to get an own user title - but because they would want to see this forum stay online.

If you can prove me different by findig a donator who does not think like this, go for it. But saying that donators are just giving money beacuse of a custom user title is really not true.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:08 PM
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Then why are you offering titles then for donation if you think that everyone is so willingly to support the forum with money on good spirit?

Kinda self kill there

And I didnt mean it in that way anyway, I just said that when you pay money you expect something in return, everybody expects to get something for their money.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:17 PM
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You could ask he very same question in Avatar-forums.

The titles are not a big thing, they are just a small bonus. As I said before, making custom titles available to all users is something we could do as well.
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The custom titles are a fringe benefit. Just like when NPR or similar say "Donate $100 and get...[insert item]." I'm sure some people did donate because of the item available, but there are people who donate regardless. A donater doesn't have to use a custom title, but considering how easy it is to do, there's no reason not to given the option.

As for getting something for your money, from a strict business point of view, what you're getting is a forum that is operational. The hosting back-end for this place is not cheap. Thus, the donation directly serves to keep this place operational. There aren't any advertisements here, yet. If the forum becomes too expensive to operate, the administrators have a choice to make: sell the whole outfit to someone else, bring on co-administrators who have money but may or may not fit with the rest of the community, or run ads. Donations help prevent this situation from occurring.

To address the idea that some people got special treatment, that's how life works. You help with a start-up company, you may get the Executive Director of Some Department position because the people in charge know they can trust you. With the internet, trust is more important than ever. Very few would start a community and just open the doors for anyone to apply to be a moderator. Start with a core team you can trust. The team here didn't sign on because they got custom user-titles. I'd bet my own user-title on that. They signed on because they believe in the mission of the organization.
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Those who donate to different causes, do you think they donate because of a paper that says "I donated to X"? Because of a shiny ribbon or such?
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:01 PM
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Your all missing the point and trying to twist my words in every way or maybe you just don't understand the basics of my statements.

@Eltu : Like I said, I only posted feedback, whatever you choose to do is fine by me.
And if your so persistent on turning everything to AF well, did you ever see someone who hasn't donated to the forum having a custom title or colored name ? (not mod or admin)
No, you haven't. Here on ToS its like you said yourself: " Some people asked an admin to have a unique title under their name and they got it". Simple as that.

@Sovereign: I agree with most things you said and yes, maybe I wouldn't have left out on the "colored style name and kewl title" bandwagon if I came online on Saturday instead of Sunday dohhhhhhhhh.


@Xynth: I'm sorry if you don't get how business works. I can honestly tell you that more then 60% on AF members donated the money simply because they like being special, meaning having something more then the other guy. And that's what you should be trading on if you ever want to make more then 30 bucks, sorry but that's the truth.
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:15 PM
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I can honestly tell you that more then 60% on AF members donated the money simply because they like being special, meaning having something more then the other guy.
And where are you getting those statistics from?
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:23 PM
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It has been said, donations are made with the intention of keeping the site up and running. There is an incentive to donate with the user titles but the main point of donations is to keep the site going, not to obtain a custom title. The type of people who are members of this forum are not the type of people who would want to be singled out as superior, at least in my opinion. We are all here because we share a common interest, Avatar, and that common interest has (in most of us) incited a positive Na'vi-esque attitude.
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:50 PM
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If you think a custom title is the main incentive for donating, you're doing it wrong.
Donating is something OPTIONAL, for people who want to support the site. Enabling custom titles for people who have is just a small thing, which we are doing because it's a small gesture of thanks.
People who already have custom titles enabled have contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to ToS, including several people who have been in since the start but did not want to be a moderator or admin.

If you have any problems with our choices of moderator, please take it up in private with an admin, although personally I have not seen ANY mod abuse or anything else that would call for reviewing who was a moderator. Anyway, any forum needs some, and of course we are going to select active people who we trust.

As for 'more then 60% on AF members donated the money simply because they like being special' - I'd be interested to know where you get that from. Turns out I was one of the 'less than 40%' (which I doubt) who actually wanted to support the site that had helped them.
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Old 03-20-2010, 04:00 AM
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I Donated to AF quite early on after signing up, because being able to go on and read everyones thoughts and oppinions and offer mine where i could, well it meant enough to me that i wanted to support the site so that i'd be able to that in the future.

I Plan to donate to ToS soon too, not for custom title, not for anything fancy, but because this place already feels like my new home and i'd like to help out in anyway i can to make sure it stays here.. so if i can spare some money, i will!
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