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The Na'vi, Humanity, and Post-Technologicalism - Blogs - Avatar-Forums.com
Just a link to a recent blog I wrote that you guys might find interesting. ![]() While a lot of tribes survive(d) in the wild, the majority of people on Earth couldn't. Only a portion of the Earth is naturally lush enough to support a sustainable hunter-gatherer society. Pandora, on the other hand, is nearly fully (barring the poles) covered with thick, fertile forest. Desert/tundra/other naturally barren regions led people to develop agriculture, and later civilization. That's not even including other Human/Earthly shortcomings like disease, the general weakness of the human body, and darkness at night - problems which are nonexistent on Pandora. [/Shameless Plug]
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That would be good, but you didn't mention human nature. We satrted stockpiling for those reasons, but continued to go over the required amount by greed. Thinking we could get something better for ourselves by getting more. This led to specialized classes, starting the isolation of people. Dividing us and making us compete against eachother for power, still driven by greed. Then science came, wanting to know everything so you could control it. Most of society today is the result of greed.
Few people in positions to do it would bioengieneer it unless it was profitable.
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I agree and disagree. I agree that we have to use our science knowledge to correct our mistake on Earth.
But I think, it's more the human way to evolve who turn us weaker then Na'vi. If we never have try to evolve lazily by technology, human body will probably evolved more strong to survive. And why we need to build farm is probably because we are over populated for our planet and this over population is again because of the human wrong way to be. It's because the human is lazy that turn bad. This is what i think.
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looking over it again, that is the longest word in a thread title i have ever seen.
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OK finally read your article and while it does have some valid points there quite a few problems:
1. The Na'vi language has names for illness or disease so it cannot be true that they never suffer illnesses and the reason why we probably don't see any birth defects is because most likely they just abandon imperfect newborn children to the jungle. Yes I am talking about infanticide of those that do not meet their survival criteria, sounds horrendous from a moral and ethical point of view but from a bare bones survival point of view it does make sense. 2. There is no way we could possibly bio-engineer immunity against all possible pathogens but they could make bodies heal faster and definitely become stronger, I see no need to be taller though nor to make one;s skin blue. 3. The movie Avatar was never about starting a crusade to get rid of all technology and go back to live in caves as many all over have mistakenly assumed. |
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Given the advanced biology of Pandora, I bet the rates of birth defects are close to, if not zero. The Na'vi are much more evolved than humans Quote:
Being taller would probably benefit humanity (I'm short, so I guess I'm biased ![]() ![]() LOL, I don't know how many people would go for being blue (I would, but I digress ![]() Quote:
James Cameron's Avatar is about Transhumanism | Second Tense I personally feel it criticizes an overuse of technology. Look at humans today, we're soft. We live in climate-controlled, secure shelters, eat prepared food from the grocery store or resturaunts, and can go days without walking a mile. Honestly, it would be a disaster if a massive solar storm hit, no one would be able to survive. A little more nature would do us good IMO, we could use a little sculpting as a species.
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![]() The Dreamer's Manifesto Mike Malloy, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." - Inception "Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden |
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I'd love to be taller and blue. This isn't just about improving physically, it's about people taking their ideal form.
I agree about the transhumanism, I think. I know I now realise that it's what I want...
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As I recall what survival guide states it that Pandora nullifies Terran born viruses and pathogens, not that there not any illnesses common amongst the Na'vi. If the Na'vi were born absolutely perfect they would be immortal or live a million years each. They had a time of great sorrow we have no idea if was war or a natural disaster or a plague. Quote:
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And speak for yourself my wheels on this Earth is a Bike on which I got to work and wherever I need to go and if the distance is short I walk it too, I know some people take a car just to go to the corner, but just FYI I'm not those people! ![]() |
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Though on the off chance that times of great sorrow are plagues, the fact that there were only five in the entire history of the Na'vi still speaks in their favor. How many epidemics have we had? Quote:
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![]() Likewise on a surfboard I imagine it would look pretty tasty to sharks and other big fish. I guess you'd invent a new sport Surf tail fishing I also imagine it would be painful as hell too... Quote:
But the problem with AI is also worrying since there is no telling if once we create artificial life a la BattleStar Galactica that such artificial life and sentience won't turn on us. The problem is such a frightening possibility that even the most hopeful of futurists want to add a kill switch to any true AI just in case. Quote:
I believe a lot of people that you think cannot make it could end up making it as well. The human spirit is something I've learned never to underestimate. |
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![]() The Dreamer's Manifesto Mike Malloy, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." - Inception "Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden |
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So while you could perhaps change skin color, tone, enhance muscle and bone mass etc. you cannot make a grown human being grow a tail or Donkey like ears, but you could do it to one yet to be born. Meaning you could design your kids from scratch a la Gattaca. But not yourself that way. Quote:
![]() As I posted earlier growing a tail is not something you could possibly do to an already grown human, but you could design your kids to have one and that's where it gets dicey doesn't it. Do we have the right to fundamentally change and alter our offspring's physiology to suit what we think they should be? Quote:
But anyway we are still a long way before we reach the so called singularity which how scientists refer to the exact time when machines become smarter than humans and thus artificial self aware lifeforms for all intended purposes. |
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