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Old 05-12-2010, 02:35 PM
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As some of you know, I'm new here. When I introduced myself, there was a whole lot of "Oel ngati Kameie" being said. When I thought about it though, I don't really think it's appropriate to say when you first meet someone. I think it's more of a thing you say to someone when you get to know them better, I mean, even though you can assume I'm a cool person because of my strong love of Avatar (something that brings us all together ) I might really be a terrible person, someone you don't really want to See.
So what I'm asking is, do you think that it's appropriate in this situation to use this phrase when first meeting someone on ToS, or do you think that it is used too loosely?
Uh... sorry if this is in the wrong forum... or a horrible topic D:Don't hurt me! *cringe*
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Old 05-12-2010, 02:43 PM
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I agree with you, I find it has been used too loosely. I prefer to say Mi ziva'u
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:00 PM
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well i guess we say it because the na'vi do. and the na'vi say it because in their society there's no such thing as a terrible person. just like on this forum
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:54 PM
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like "I love you" , the phrase you mean is loosely used mostly from a lot of people , it's really something you say only if you really mean it and know the person well and like the person you say it to , like described in the movie , it's nothing you just use loosely .
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:04 PM
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For me, I do not think I use it loosely despite using it a lot. When I say it to someone I am telling them that I understand, respect, and care for them and for what they have to say. My interpretation of Oel ngati Kameie is as Norm tells Jake.. I see into you. I see your true spirit. This is one thing I believe that Avatar has brought out in all of us. Our true spirits. I will keep using it as I have and I hope that each of you understand why.
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:56 PM
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I only use Oel Ngati Kameie if I truly understand someone, I don't throw it around left and right... another thing Avatar taught me is to truly mean what I say (don't ask me how haha I have a reason just can't think of it at the moment...) but if someone here says something that truly relates to me or I completely understand them I use it... plus also the Na'vi use it as a greeting, but since they live in clans, they know everyone else very well
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:03 PM
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I only use Oel Ngati Kameie if I truly understand someone, I don't throw it around left and right... another thing Avatar taught me is to truly mean what I say (don't ask me how haha I have a reason just can't think of it at the moment...) but if someone here says something that truly relates to me or I completely understand them I use it... plus also the Na'vi use it as a greeting, but since they live in clans, they know everyone else very well

Oel ngati kameie ma tsmukan
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:05 PM
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Oel ngati kameie ma tsmukan
There you go well put example irayo ma tsmukan lol *high four*
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:05 PM
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It's not a term i throw around loosely either, only if i feel really connected and understanding of a person. Or if i've gone through the same situation as someone and i'm really empathizing.

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Old 05-12-2010, 05:21 PM
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Lol, a paragraph I made about 'Oel ngati kameie'.

'Oel ngati kameie' is a phrase used by the Na'Vi - Translated loosely, it means "I See you." The phrase
is only used correctly when it the context of [unexplainably profound] understanding. So deep that
I cannot describe it with words from the English language. The term is used as a greeting message
by many families to address eachother's presence in the film. 'Oel ngati kameie' can also be shown
through a hand gesture, which is shown in the film at several points. The term is not abuseable,
namely because of it's nature. Typically, when 'Oel ngati kameie' is compared with the human 'I love
you'. The human version loses any potential meaning. It seems somewhat that the term 'I love you'
is thrown around a ridiculous amount in modern society, and so has lost a lot of it's meaning. With
teenagers confusing physical attraction with love, they've said it carelessly. What also astounds
yours truly about the Na'Vi term is that it has no gender, or particular level of social status attached
to it... A male is able to say 'Oel ngati kameie' to another male, without being labelled 'homosexual',
or any other term by society. (This maybe because they have no idea what it means ) - But 'Oel ngati
kameie' transcends far beyond 'understanding' into a level that for me, personally, is not even ackno-
wledgeable in the slightest. I've said 'Oel ngati kameie' to very few people. And all of them were within
or part of the 'Avatar Forums' or 'Tree of Souls' community. It seems no-one near me interprets the film
in such a way that they can understand the film, let alone the beautiful language that Paul Frommer
has given us, and ofcourse the life-changing message that came with it. 'Oel ngati kameie' represents
a level of 'seeing directly into a life-forms soul', in such a way that you can understand their reasoning
behind everything that they do, and regardless of your opinion on the way that they handle it, you will
still continue to understand why they did what they felt needed to be done. This is why in a future
relationship, should I actually find a girl near me that I consider to feel the same way as I do about
this life. I will be able to use 'I See you' as oppose to 'I Love you'. However not before they have my
100% trust. 'Oel ngati kameie' portrays a level of devotion that is strictly not understandable to anyone
who does not See the world for what it really is- Because in the end, all that we have is eachother.
No level of Scientific Research, or Religious Movement is going to change that fact. 'Oel ngati kameie'
is acknowledging the above fact, and almost thanking the person for being on the same priority of
mind-set as you. You see, my dear reader, the problem with current humanity is that we over-look
the fact that marriage is nothing more than a physical ceremony. Man's attempt to give physical proof
to others that 'these two people are now together'. While as 'Oel ngati kameie' bypasses that idea
altogether. In my.. Very bias and probably very deluded opinion. Marriage shouldn't even exist - It's
just another pathetic attempt by man to try and make a physical pact. It's almost like Valentines day.
Why show that you're together on one specific day, should the amount of time you spend defending
eachother not over-rule any ceremony.... Where you're technically not doing anything for eachother
at all. It's almost sad to think that the human race sticks by old principles in this case. We need to
accept that words cannot portray everything. Certain members of the human race are at this level
of realisation. Because of the fact that Na'Vi is not a written language. 'Oel ngati kameie''s original
creation must of been based purely upon a sound, that meant complete understanding of the situation
at hand... Like many other phrases of the Na'Vi language... 'Oel ngati kameie' simply cannot be
described with words... That night under the stars with your soul-mate, where she's using your arm
as a pillow, and snuggling up to you. Your body warm keeping eachother snug. And from her voice-
box, the most meaningful words in reality grace your ear. 'I See you'. You then my friend, are one of
the few beings within Lightyears, that's felt true love within your soul.
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:40 PM
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Is it just me or am I the only one who pictured me with Neytiri at that last part lol and I've got to say I agree with a lot of what you just said except for the marriage part... marriage should exsist (you probably thought someone was going to bring that up again huh? lol) I don't know what your beliefs are and am not trying to start anything but for me marriage was created by God... but it goes much farther than "God created marriage therefor it's right" Marriage is the ceremony of bondage... like the Na'vi and their way of marriage pretty much is mating before Eywa. It's the lifelong commitment two fleshes that were made one will stick it out with each other for better or for worse (a lot of people seem to miss that last part)... its a vow that these two will live with and love eachother as long as they live and far beyond that... unfortunantly humans have screwed this up as well... the divorce rate nowadays is sickening... in the US 1/2 marrages will end in divorce. I've even heard teachers at my college say, "get married for money, not for love" and that being followed by a bunch of college kids nodding their head in agreement. Sorry if this got OT thats just my $.03
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For me, I do not think I use it loosely despite using it a lot. When I say it to someone I am telling them that I understand, respect, and care for them and for what they have to say. My interpretation of Oel ngati Kameie is as Norm tells Jake.. I see into you. I see your true spirit. This is one thing I believe that Avatar has brought out in all of us. Our true spirits. I will keep using it as I have and I hope that each of you understand why.
This is it for me too... I do say it a lot, but I mean it...
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:51 PM
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When welcoming someone, I tend to use Kaltxi instead because (as this whole topic would suggest) Oel ngati kameie is something that I personally believe should be reserved for a time when you really do See someone.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:26 AM
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Mune! That is one of the most profound and beautiful explanations I have read about 'Oel ngati kameie' and mirrors completely what I am learning from studying Rumi~!

My grateful heart thanks you for sharing your insight!
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Old 05-13-2010, 02:48 AM
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Wow, thanks for that paragraph, Mune. Very nicely written.
Yeah, I compared it to the japanese phrase "A i shi te ru". It means I love you but it's not something you use all the time. Something you might use more often in it's place is "Daisuki".
But yes, irayo aysmukan, aysmuke! ♥
Edit, lol, a i "shi t"e ru gets blocked.
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