A common ministers reaction to avatar. - Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum
Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum
Go Back   Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum » Avatar » General Avatar Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:26 PM
Toshowlove's Avatar
Eylan
Toshowlove needs to hear her head over her heart
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 104
Default A common ministers reaction to avatar.

Upon asking my friend about his thoughts on avatar i got a response saying "My pastor told me not to see it because its demonic". I LAUGHED in his face, i used to be a religious person (i worked at a Christian camp) and due to my studies and quite frankly my knowing better i have lost my faith. Now, i realize this opens a huge religious debate WHICH I DO NOT WISH NOR INTEND TO DISCUSS IN THIS THREAD! I'm just interested in peoples views on this opinion. I'd say consider both religious and non religious perspectives, but i think that goes without saying.

Also, before you get to the passage, i dont intend to offend anyone, and if this affects your beliefs please let this be a tool to help guide you in a way that brings you peace.

That said, Here is what my friend's pastor felt "COMPELLED" to email his youth group after seeing Avatar:


Hi everyone,

So I know its quite late for sending out this email-- but I felt I couldn't sleep until I wrote this out to you all.

I hope that you all will understand, that when I send out these emails, its to encourage, convict, and motivate all of us towards godliness--- and if you aren't interested in receiving my emails, let me know, I can take you off the email list.

I JUST WATCHED AVATAR. YES. I know that I'm totally behind on everything, but I don't always have the greatest motivation to watch large epic movies. (unless its Lord of the Rings)

Before I watched this movie, I was listening to a sermon by Pastor Mark Driscoll (a well known pastor from the states--- awesome pastor, godly man), and he mentioned about how Avatar was the most Demonic film he has ever seen, and went on defending his argument.
Now, I kept my mind open, and was thinking, maybe its not that bad--- and so I rented it and saw it to see what all the fuss was about. ( i was actually excited to see it, because I had heard so many good things about it).

All I have to say, is----- He couldn't be any more correct on what he said about this movie. It's incredibly demonic. I literally felt sick when I was watching parts of this movie, and wasn't able to finish the movie. As you can tell, I am extremely disappointed and beyond disturbed by this film, and really hope to expose the film for what it REALLY is. I say these things, not because I want you to side with me on this--- and I'm not saying these things because I "hate" movies, or because I "didn't like the titanic" (which james cameron did as well). I'm saying this because I HATE (btw its ok to use that word when referring to things that are evil and demonic) what this movie is doing to GOD's glory and His reputation,and I want you to be sensitive to the spiritual evils around us, and how it infiltrates our culture, through the media, and blinds, destroys and desensitizes the minds and hearts of people who need Jesus. (and even those that know Jesus already).


I know some of you may be thinking, 'well, its not a horror movie---its not like "Paranormal Activity" or something--its rated PG 13! how can it be demonic?"

Some people, (like Pastor Mark Driscoll, myself and many others)have encountered the demonic, and may be more sensitive to these things, but I recognized right away when I was watching it that it was clearly demonic. The movie is filled with the ideas of paganism, animism, new age movement, as well as occult and witchcraft practices. NO matter what other christian magazines or reviews say about this film, its NOT about having a "christian" perspective or outlook. (And NO, I am NOT just "agreeing" with Pastor Mark Driscoll because I think he's a good pastor).

Here are a few things that stuck out to me:

a) I was frightened, appalled and angry when I saw the "prayer" scene when they were praying to the "tree of souls". That reminds me alot of occult and witchcraft practices. Some mystical, and hindu and buddhist practice this kind of prayer chanting as well. The woman, also was channeling" some sort of spirit, which was taking control of her and "possessing" her.

b) When the character, Grace, is about to die, she looks up to the sky and says, " She IS Real". What is refering to the fact that she can see that now that "Eowa" their god/deity (god) is actually real.

c) Also, speaking to their "ancestors" through the tree of souls (since it holds infinite memories, etc), is a form of ancestral worship, rooted in paganism.

Some of you may be thinking--- well its not that bad. Its just a few scenes". I would beg to differ. The entire premise of the movie is glorifying paganism, which is masked and covered by a "pocahontas" like story of saving the environment and all its inhabitants, and saving "culture"-- even if it means keeping demonic practices and rituals.

All of this to say, that this movie glorifies false pagan worship, which is completely covered and masked by the stunning visual affects.

HOW DO YOU KNOW A MOVIE IS DEMONIC? Most movies, are difficult to distinguish. Some are straight up demonic, just by the content.
However, if a movie glorifies SIN(sexual immorality, jealousy,violence, revenge, hatred, gossip, slander, murder, deception, lies, adultery, impurity) and makes it look ok or makes excuses for it and glorifies human righteousness" and subtly demeans godliness, we know that it is clearly demonic.
A movie that exposes sin for what it is, are good movies. A movie that DISGUISES sin, and makes it look "fine", appropriate etc. is demonic.

SATAN MAKES HIMSELF LOOK LIKE AN ANGEL OF LIGHT (2 Corinthians 11:14), so be alert and discerning about the movies you watch.

I think Pastor Mark Driscoll states it very well in this video of what he thinks about the movie.
Take a look at what he has to say.

Avatar: Demonic or Inspirational? | ChurchCreate


In Christ,
Lesley (Pastor of a friends church)

__________________
Oel Ngati Kameie <3

Last edited by Toshowlove; 05-18-2010 at 10:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:33 PM
Devourment's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
Devourment has no status.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: West MA
Posts: 522
Default

Honestly, if I knew someone like that who actually took the advice, I probably wouldn't continue speaking with them.

But yeah Christians who freak out about this are hilarious, they also fail to realize what Eywa actually is.
__________________

"You know what, World? You got me cornered again,
I'm gonna role another joint."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:34 PM
Isard's Avatar
Old Guard
Isard -- Wait, you do hear the voices right?
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,416
Send a message via Skype™ to Isard
Default

I laughed.

The church feels threatened (for some odd reason) by Avatar. Just another reason to go do your own thing rather than follow others.
__________________
:psyduck:
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:34 PM
madman's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
madman teya yawne
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Merced CA. USA
Posts: 563
Send a message via ICQ to madman Send a message via MSN to madman
Default

I really feel sorry for this man... oh my...
__________________
"The wealth of this world isn't in the ground - it's all around us..."
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:36 PM
Na'vi_supporter's Avatar
Pandora lover
Na'vi_supporter has no status.
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Prague, Czech
Posts: 402
Send a message via ICQ to Na'vi_supporter Send a message via MSN to Na'vi_supporter Send a message via Skype™ to Na'vi_supporter
Default

Oooops, now I really don't know ... shoudl I cry or laught at him ??? This man is sick, this has nothing to do with god or religion he is just sick! I am not used to get angry , but this time it is a BIG exception.

" like story of saving the environment and all its inhabitants, and saving "culture"-- even if it means keeping demonic practices and rituals.
"
So here he says that he prefer the old practics "search and destroy" all different cultures...great

EDIT: I don't have enough energy to comment the rest, it makes me too sad.
__________________



"Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."
Nikola Tesla

"Money does not represent such a value as men have placed upon it. All my money has been invested into experiments with which I have made new discoveries enabling mankind to have a little easier life."
Nikola Tesla

Last edited by Na'vi_supporter; 05-18-2010 at 10:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:41 PM
madman's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
madman teya yawne
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Merced CA. USA
Posts: 563
Send a message via ICQ to madman Send a message via MSN to madman
Default

Perhaps he is sooo upset because JC makes the Na'vi god so obviously real, whereas our human gods are surrounded with mystery and plain faith. Human religion is based more or less on faith. Deep down I do believe in God and realize that Eywa is a creation of JC. Too bad this poor fellow doesn't realize this.
__________________
"The wealth of this world isn't in the ground - it's all around us..."
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:49 PM
josie20's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
josie20 None of you understand
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 654
Default

Idiots like this pastor have ruined a beautiful religion. This is why I don't go around flaunting my beliefs. This guy seriously needs a punch-in-face.
__________________
I may not be as excited about Avatar as I use to be. But, I will never forget that it changed my life.

As our bodies die, all the stars reply, "Now you see the lie"



"Bide your time and hold out hope"
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:50 PM
madman's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
madman teya yawne
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Merced CA. USA
Posts: 563
Send a message via ICQ to madman Send a message via MSN to madman
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by josie20 View Post
Idiots like this pastor have ruined a beautiful religion. This is why I don't go around flaunting my beliefs. This guy seriously needs a punch-in-face.
I know right? Wonder how many faithful followers this cook lost when he sent out this email.
__________________
"The wealth of this world isn't in the ground - it's all around us..."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:52 PM
Isard's Avatar
Old Guard
Isard -- Wait, you do hear the voices right?
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,416
Send a message via Skype™ to Isard
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Na'vi_supporter View Post
Oooops, now I really don't know ... shoudl I cry or laught at him ??? This man is sick, this has nothing to do with god or religion he is just sick! I am not used to get angry , but this time it is a BIG exception

Just ignore him.



A common beleif I've held for a long time, thats simply becoming stronger as I see the Church react to pop culture, is that they are loosing their grip on the masses. Back in the day, religious leaders we're second to only a monarch. (and in many cases, they truly held more power than the leader behind the scenes)

Nowadays however, people are starting to look inside themselves for spiritual guidance, weakening their power base. Expect many popular things to be attacked by religious leaders, not to sound nerdy or anything... >.>

But if you recall Palpatine from Star Wars (another, "Demonic film") "All who gain power, are afraid to lose it..."


^ truer words have never been spoken.

(the whole clip if you want to re-watch it)

YouTube - Anakin and Palpatine at the Opera
__________________
:psyduck:
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:53 PM
Helicoradian's Avatar
Nawmtu
Helicoradian nope...no status
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,220
Default

Quote:


a) I was frightened, appalled and angry when I saw the "prayer" scene when they were praying to the "tree of souls". That reminds me alot of occult and witchcraft practices. Some mystical, and hindu and buddhist practice this kind of prayer chanting as well. The woman, also was channeling" some sort of spirit, which was taking control of her and "possessing" her.

b) When the character, Grace, is about to die, she looks up to the sky and says, " She IS Real". What is refering to the fact that she can see that now that "Eowa" their god/deity (god) is actually real.

c) Also, speaking to their "ancestors" through the tree of souls (since it holds infinite memories, etc), is a form of ancestral worship, rooted in paganism.

But the part where us (humans) firebomb Hometree killing those of a peaceful tribe and destroy their home is ok? Praying to Eywa by plugging in a Queue seems a lot less demonic than murder, greed, and causing another living thing to suffer.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-18-2010, 10:56 PM
Pamtseo Vitra
Fkeu'itan hasn't been here in years.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Aberystwyth, Wales.
Posts: 2,562
Send a message via Skype™ to Fkeu'itan
Default

I literally have no words for this.

I can understand how an extremely devout follower could see such a thing, but even then it's still a rediculous notion. For a movie that inspires such deep human compassion, love and a want for a better future of our planet, how it can be interpreted like this is just completely unbelievable.
__________________
"When the time comes, just walk away and don't make any fuss."
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-18-2010, 11:32 PM
Read C.'s Avatar
Dreamwalker
Read C. | RDA consultant
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 26
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan View Post
I literally have no words for this.

I can understand how an extremely devout follower could see such a thing, but even then it's still a rediculous notion. For a movie that inspires such deep human compassion, love and a want for a better future of our planet, how it can be interpreted like this is just completely unbelievable.
Yerp, I agree. I'd probably just stick to my guns if I needed to defend myself against encroaching zealots. That's if they ask and accuse me of succumbing to heretical influences. It'd be great if they can shake off the fear and engage some civil and honest discussion about the movie's universal themes.

Otherwise, I wouldn't bother. Might be counter-productive.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-19-2010, 12:01 AM
Taw Makto's Avatar
Hapxtu
Taw Makto is flyin' high!
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA, Earth, Sol System
Posts: 182
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by madman View Post
I really feel sorry for this man... oh my...
Me too, tsmukan, me too.

I was once involved with the Assemblies of God - very fundamentalist Christians. Nice, nice people. But with their free will locked down so tight it hurts. I look back on those days with regret, and glad that I can see any movie and realize one thing: It's. Just. A. Movie. Sure, Avatar is great, and it's messages are some of the best to come along in a long time. There are similarities to paganism, sure. But it's all made up, and it's all a consistent part of the essential good of the story. A story rooted in science, not fantasy. Well...I could go on. But I'm preaching to the choir.

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-19-2010, 12:09 AM
Lord Duke the Baron
Grif is Grif
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 984
Default

Oh how I love to read these stories, they make me feel so much better about myself. The problem with most people this deep into religion is that they view their religion as the right religion. A movie advocating their religion is fine, but anything else is "evil". Which is a pity since most people, religious or not, are tolerant of other religions.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-19-2010, 12:29 AM
fkeua vrrtep's Avatar
One of the People
fkeua vrrtep has no status.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Germany
Posts: 240
Send a message via ICQ to fkeua vrrtep Send a message via MSN to fkeua vrrtep
Default

everything that could proof the christian religion wrong or stand for another religion/belief is marked as either demonic or evil by those old jerks ,no big surprise .
__________________


"In the beginning there was man , and for a time it was good , but humanities so called civil societies soon fell victim to vanity and corruption , then man made the machine in his own likeness , thus would man become the arcitect of his own demise , but for a time it was good"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Visit our partner sites:

      pandoraworld.ru



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:13 PM.

Based on the Planet Earth theme by Themes by Design


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
All images and clips of Avatar are the exclusive property of 20th Century Fox.