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Old 07-17-2010, 12:37 PM
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Perhaps you may have felt this whilst watching the movie, perhaps afterwards; maybe listening to the soundtrack or just recreating in your head the wold of the Na'vi and Eywa,...

That feeling which cannot be found here, a feeling of utter freedom, a feeling of completion, of balance and interconnectedness with every single living thing.

It is not that Pandora is desirable because it represents a perfect, no disease, no famine, neither suffering nor problem-free paradise; it's not (humans, you can try it out, are basically a problem solving machine: take them out and we will struggle to create our own trouble to amuse our boredom). Pandora may be as imperfect as planet Earth, but it's got something else that makes it stay closer to perfection; and it is exactly this freedom and mutual union.

Here on Earth societies tend to be either ridiculously big, strict and absolutist; or extremely localized and selfish. It's not our nature (let's not blame things we do not control), it's our lack of will and tendency to never lose for the greater good -always need to gain something or be benefited, if not there will be no deal.

We have the capability to act as we desire, at will; however we have been led too many times by our instincts, and are now walking this path we all know it only brings pain and lovelessness. We could have been lords of our fate, but we let our primitive mindset take over.

I'm not going to speak wonders of the Na'vi because I only met them for 2 hours and a half.

But I can speak for what I see, and say that there they've got something we lost here time ago.
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Old 07-17-2010, 12:48 PM
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It's still more than that for me... That is definitely one of the reasons, but I feel more than that. It's like Pandora is my home, it's where I feel I belong, where I should have been
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:42 AM
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Agreed, Zenit. It's a world devoid of economics, consumerism, politics, government bureaucracy, and in general all the noisome complexities of modern living - the way Earth should be. And I agree that the way we are going will not have a pretty ending, but we've made our bed, and now we have to sleep in it.

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It's still more than that for me... That is definitely one of the reasons, but I feel more than that. It's like Pandora is my home, it's where I feel I belong, where I should have been
Agreed. Home and heaven.

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"Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden

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Old 07-18-2010, 10:12 AM
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People do not know the power that they truly hold. Sometimes, or should I say most of the time, are blinded by their need of money to live. Of course we could live without money but thats kind of out of the question (you don't need to think hard why). It is solving our own troubles and fixing points of views that will help a person in realizing their own, personal, strength; or at least one step closer. The human spirit is most likely a never ending metaphor that we wish would have a grand ending line; we wish for wonder and freedom.

Some folk I know express freedom as a dream that can be obtained, and some say it's a complete fantasy like a dog chasing cars, but you cannot deny that it exists. Personally, I think freedom a tease but the feeling is such a strong one that I cannot deny it's power over me. My dream job can possibly reach this freedom, but yet I fear it would ruin me for doing so.

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Like Pandora, it was hard work. Apply it to anything, you'll see the most complex of dreams come to life.
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Old 07-18-2010, 10:41 AM
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Very well said all of you. I agree whole-heratedly.

I had originally typed up a response to this, but I saw it was a little long and may lead to a 'debate' so that's where i'll post it instead.
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