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Old 07-25-2010, 01:30 AM
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Please be with me on this,
that although the news of extra footage is an exciting one, it will barely improve the experience, more like weigh it down into an even baggier story line. The thing with Cameron is this, since his titanic, he loves to boat it down into a long winded, extra long, baggy mess of narrative. He used to be lean mean, creative the pretty much perfect film, but then he stumbled upon the wealth of money at his disposable. Sure they are mega hits, but not his best work, his best work comes from his early years, his last great film was T2. Cut it down Cameron, dont add even more to it, get out the editor and cut a large section of it out and you have a much better film.
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Old 07-25-2010, 01:46 AM
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Shame they won't show more in this in re-release, still not enough to damp my curiosity
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Eight out of ten of the highest grossing films in history are all over 2 hours and 30 minutes long. I think that says something.

I believe, when done right, a longer film has more potential to be a hit success than a short film does.

The longer the movie is, the more time there is for character and story development. Imagine if Avatar were 1 hour and 30 minutes long. Do you think people would have had the same emotional response to the destruction of Hometree?

Think of it as real life. The more time you spend with someone, the more attached you are to them.
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The point of adding the footage isnt for the story, its just for more of the "experience".
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Eight out of ten of the highest grossing films in history are all over 2 hours and 30 minutes long. I think that says something.

I believe, when done right, a longer film has more potential to be a hit success than a short film does.

The longer the movie is, the more time there is for character and story development. Imagine if Avatar were 1 hour and 30 minutes long. Do you think people would have had the same emotional response to the destruction of Hometree?

Think of it as real life. The more time you spend with someone, the more attached you are to them.
But given better writing, you can get more out of a character in one line of dialogue than an entire screenplay
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Hmmmm...interesting. I honestly don't mind the extra footage, and it looks pretty interesting (woooo fan lizards ). But honestly 8 minutes can't weight a film down that much, even if the film is bad, which we won't have to worry about happening seeing as Avatar is a great film.
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his best work comes from his early years
early years?? you might wanna check out Piranha 2...

Seriously, Avatar is by far the best Cameron (or any other) movie I've ever seen, you're looking at it from a wrong perspective. People who see Avatar for the first time mostly don't even notice it's over 2h30m. I actually thought it could be a bit longer, some say it was too fast and not enough elaborated... just NO. Avatar has to be longer.
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Every minute of Avatar is enjoyable, adding more minutes = more enjoyment.

I wouldn't mind the full 4 hour thing.
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Oh yeah, the longer the better in my opinion.

Xynth, I agree, would love to spend a whole afternoon with Avatar.

Cyan, there will always be the short version if you don't like the extended one.
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TheIknimaya's response about sums things up.

(Did I just read someone on ToS seriously proposing a *shorter* version of Avatar? Y'know, the forum where people -- myself included -- wish the movie wouldn't end and if anything wish it were *longer*? Clearly I'm missing something... )
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I wouldn't mind a 768h version (that's 24 hours of every 32 days or so)
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Shorter? I'm a bit disappointed it's limited to only 8 minutes longer due to the Imax run time constraint. Cameron has done such a good job on Avatar he could easily add another hour to it and keep the audience captivated. After all, he's got an entire world to work with and explore.
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I don't think length is really an issue as much as story quality. As someone else above pointed out, eight of the top 10 highest grossing films have been in excess of 2:30. Think about that for just a second. That means that films with a longer run time, that get shown fewer times a day than a 1:30 film, can still gross more than shorter films.

The key is the story, and a good story takes time to develop. The Lord of the Rings films, for instance, would have been a disaster if they had been 1:30 long. And so would Avatar. In this case, an additional eight minutes goes to further flesh out an already excellent story.

Personally, I don't think it was long enough. I would love to have seen more fleshing out of Jake's training (which I thought moved way too fast) and Grace's backstory with the Na'vi. I would like to have seen Norm and Trudy's characters expanded further (perhaps as they were in the original script).

A lot of times, I think directors underestimate an audience's willingness to focus on a truly great film. After all, I set rapt through 3:30 of Return of the King, and I would willingly have sat just as rapt through another 50 minutes of Avatar (though, frankly, my bladder would protest!).
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