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Well I saw the SE today, and besides being the greatest movie I have ever seen, it brought back a massive flood of emotions akin to the first time. However, this time it's different, it's not depression, it's anger. It's pure, blood-boiling rage about what humanity has become, and what this Earth has become.

All of this began to set in around the time of Iknimaya and beyond. Throughout the entire movie I was making side-thoughts in my head, comparing the average day of a Na'vi to the average day of humans - both modern and primal, and for some rather obvious reasons, this is where it all set in. What does the average day of a Na'vi consist of? Hunting, horseback riding, flying, climbing around the forest, and general enjoying nature and the company of all of it's life. Their routines are also much more lax - sleeping when they want, eating when they want, and generally doing things as their bodies require them. Pretty similar to the day of the average primal human (sans flying). Now, compare that to the modern human. Most people have to drag themselves out of bed at an unnatural hour, commute to whatever work they have, spend most of the day doing a job in an unnatural environment (indoors, flourescent lights, etc), commuting home again, likely eat a highly processed dinner, and spend whatever time is left socializing with loved ones (if they are lucky enough to have them, many people are lonely).

Ironically, if human advancement is in terms of workload and quality of life, we have regressed. Many tribes only need to work, on average, two hours a day to do all the necessary choires in a day, compared to the 8+ hours people work today. The rest is spent having fun with family, the tribe, and nature. Contrary to popular belief, living in a tribal, hunter-gatherer society is not some sort of hell. In fact, it is probably more enjoyable than anyone would expect. There was little disease (disease was a product of agriculture), and people were taller and stronger. Plus, you didn't have to worry about your colon rotting away from tainted eggs or beef.

Each day is an adventure to the Na'vi, and used to be for neolithic humans as well. Humans used to spend each day exploring Earth's wonders, hunting on horseback for buffalo in a similar way to the Sturmbeast hunt. Everday could be an adventure today, too, but why don't people make it so? It can be done, people who "rewild" show that it's possible (and hopefully the Revolutionists and LN tribe will, as well). Want a Hometree? Build a treehouse. A Pa'i? A horse. Ikran? Ultralight. Why don't more people do it, then? Because it's not what the corporatist ruling class wants. These rich pigs need wage slaves to help advance their domination of our world. They want people chained to society by debt, so that they can't leave. That's why credit cards are pushed so much, why interest rates are so low, yet loans and mortgage interest rates are so high, why college is so expensive. They WANT you underwater, they WANT you in debt. That way, you CAN'T leave, because if you did, they would send the finger men after you. Then you're not a citizen, you're a god damned indentured servant!

Now, I don't want to don a tinfoil hat, but I can't help but feel that this is a master plan by the ruling class and corporations of this world to create some sort of fascist neo-fuedalistic, 1984-esque future. Call it what you want, but this is the way it is going. You've got things like the Patriot Act, or Corporate Personhood, which constricts the rights and voices of the people of America, and idiots like Glenn Beck in the mainstream, jamming lies down people's throats (I wish this guy would just do what he failed to in the 1990s, and munch on a revolver on live TV). At the same time Europe is facing a similar fate, as corporate wolves slowly creep into that system, as well (Silvio Berlusconi, the Prime Minister of Italy, for example, controls the majority of the country's media). Plus, industrializing China...nuff said.

But, at the same time, none of that matters, because...well...Network said it best.

What it will likely take to change this system makes me cringe when I think about it. We can't let it go on, then we'd have Earth circa 2154, an industrial cesspool with 20 billion de facto slaves. As bad as it sounds, I stand by my belief that the only option would be a massive, likely violent, uprising. Mike Malloy and George Carlin are right, there's no working in the system anymore, it has to be taken down by force, and sadly, will probably be trailed with blood. This isn't Ghandi's world anymore. The people who control the world today would kill him and all of his followers if it was good for their bottom line. They can buy and sell any politician they want, and put out any propoganda they want. Simply taking the pacifist apporach would be about as effective as nicely asking a nympho to stop screwing. It just won't work, the forces against the world are too much.

Nope, this Na'vi isn't depressed anymore. This Na'vi's mad as hell, and he isn't going to take it anymore. It's Post-Avatar-Anger now.
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I know the feeling... I want to do the same.

This puts it perfectly for me...
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I don't want to live an empty life, a life devoid of meaning, just working 8 hours a day for 40 years to earn special paper... I want to see everything the world has to offer and take it all on head first.
This is why at the moment I'm considering whether to quit university... I want to find something I can actually do and be happy, I want to get on with my life. I want to be free, to be happy, I don't want to end up in a situation where 40 years later I realise I've wasted my life... I have money, but for what... I can't enjoy it, I can't do anything.

This song is another perfect explanation of how I feel.





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Old 08-29-2010, 06:09 AM
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Great song. Yeah, that's a pretty good way to put it.
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I see you, Tsyal Makto! This is so true. Ok, maybe not in all details. I could nitpick a bit about the NA'Vi actually eating their meals together and "life in the village starts early" and that the workload of aboriginal human people depends highly on their mode of life and location, but most of the statements are true.
Our soul has been encaged by this culture of makebelieve, this megamachine. The extra hours of work fuel the burning fire of hierarchy for most parts of it. Some goes into technological advances, but it frustrates me enourmously that even that inevitably is used mostly to make the situation for humans worse.
And even the music video you posted here - a classic example of corporate greed that I cannot see it as the content is blocked because of money. As if I would now go and buy the CD because of that.

And yes, I am angry too, I was so after the first viewing of Avatar and before that. I used to spit out my anger in form of misanthropic comments on how silly humans are and how they will destroy themselves. In that respect, I changed - I have hope now, a vision of something new, but I still have anger - actually lots of it. And feeling immensely sad, actually FEELING the pain of earth, crying myself to sleep over all that happens - that happened to me a lot this spring and summer and it makes me even more angry that this is what is happening. I am not all of a downer. If I look into the evening sky, I marvel again and again at something people just ignore. Colors, shapes,... I walk in the woods and feel lighter and happier. But the anger really is there always if I come back. I have no ****ty job at all, but still I feel encaged.

This has to be broken. The desires that spring up when one sees Avatar are real and they have to be followed. Many tried in their own ways to follow some desires. Bikers enjoyed their equivalent of Pa'li that give them freedom to go wherever they want. Hippies formed communities that build on connecting humans to each other and build a life together. People joined the circus, live in trailers, live in the woods, flee the country and move to the tropics, learn how to fly, become homeless and workless on purpose, earn their living half a year and live without work for the rest, become surf bums, ... this is all connected to that set of desires and many of these people are quite happy despite the obvious shortcomings they face. Many return at some point because they focussed on single desires only and missed out on others or because they could not find their desires in their new way of life after all, but many tried. So many that it cannot be ignored. And I think most people if not all have such desires, just many see the only way to fulfilling them in work and getting more money, but many such ideas dont require so much money - or even no money at all.
I intend to strive to fulfil all of these desires that I can. And yes - I will need some money, so I need to be strong and stay sane in the madhouse around me, with the comfort that I have some few friends around me who are like me.
I want my soul to be free and I want all the rest of me to be free also.

I know we cant "go back", the palaeolithic earth of the aboriginal people, the earth with less disease, with abundant wild food and clean streams and wild buffalo is gone. It is sad, but it is something one has to get over with and look for new ways. But it does not have to be the way of the work slave or even the way of the rich person. I think the key would be to look at the desires we have, at the things we see in the NA'Vi and in aboriginal people and make them real for us. Everything else - what kind of home, what kind of land, what kind of people, what kind of technology,...etc - all that is secondary and more or less a result of that primal desire. One should not imitate aboriginal people - that is not the way of the human, the way of the human is to adapt to the circumstances.

Ah I just found a good article on that: The Primitivist Critique of Civilization--Richard Heinberg (hehe - seems like no thought has not already been thought before sometimes)
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We need not slavishly imitate the past; we might, rather, be inspired by the best examples of human adaptation, past and present. Instead of "going back," we should think of this process as "getting back on track."
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and idiots like Glenn Beck in the mainstream, jamming lies down people's throats (I wish this guy would just do what he failed to in the 1990s, and munch on a revolver on live TV).
wait, what about a revolver?
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He threatened to kill himself back in the 90s. Might have been a bad idea then, but when he's putting things out on the air like this (honestly one of the sickest things I've ever heard someone say in the media) and this, and only further dividing an already divided country, I'm starting to think he should do it... (BTW I got the idea from Mike Malloy, it's not original to me ).

Woodspirte - I'm wondering, what if some of the quotes I used, where said by conservatives and turned back at liberals?I've heard Michael Savage say a lot of hateful stuff, why don't you chastise him?
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Mike Malloy, a voice of reason in a world gone mad.

"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." - Inception

"Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden
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What? I'm not being pessimistic, I'm just calling out BS when I see it. Calling out BS and optimism/pessimism are mutually exclusive ideas.

And how is it not pessimistic for someone to hate the families of the victims of a terrorist attack?
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Mike Malloy, a voice of reason in a world gone mad.

"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." - Inception

"Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." - Tyler Durden

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X Pandora X, if you have nothing to say, don't say it. I am offended by your CONSTANT going on about people being 'anti-human'... just because you can't see a message doesn't mean it isn't there and that does not make need to 'learn to love your own race'... If you have nothing to say, don't comment.
Tsyal Makto is completely right...

and auroraglacialis, that bit is so true about how things have changed and not imitating others... It's interesting because I've noticed a lot of people wanting to do that... that isn't the answer. You won't change the world by ignoring it and hoping it will go away.
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Tsyal Makto is completely right...
Woah woah woah, no making statements about things you have no idea about concerning details. You don't even know who Glenn Beck is. At least Tysal actually knows him... though, with a skewed perspective, I might add.


...And what did XX say anyway? I missed the whole thing.
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Woah woah woah, no making statements about things you have no idea about concerning details. You don't even know who Glenn Beck is.

He's not completely unknown in the UK

YouTube - Charlie Brooker on the American News Media. Funny
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That Glenn Beck guy is a provocateur obviously. These people happen all the time. This one is quite obvioulsy right wing, some others have different POVs, but they all try to provoke people into hating them. Maybe he means it all, but the way he puts it is what is what makes people offended. He does not describe his POV calmly, but he uses words like hate, f*ck and other disrespectful words this forum would censor right away - he also uses directly offensive and personal, emotional statements. If I go and say I hate industrial civilization and the bosses of BP should all hang from a tree and suffer, the people who are in favour of these might also be offended.

But I also only know youtube videos, and they dont look good. In Germany there is also a big debate going on about a book that is quite extremely critical on immigration and lack of cultural assimilation, specifically muslims and also on demographics and social demographics. In short, he thinks, Germany will fall because the intelligent people have no kids and the uneducated people and people with a migration background have a lot of kids and eventually Germany will become an idiocracy. That kind of statement clearly offended a lot of people made it into all media, the book is selling like sugar sweets and his POV is mentioned in all TV stations. And of course, some of it is very true, other things are simplified or biased, but the way he put it and the breaking of a number of taboos made him famous.

On "further dividing an already divided country" - I am not even sure if that is actually a bad thing. I used to think so, but recently I have been thinking about this and my opinion right now is, that diversity is good. That it is not actually desireable (as it is impossible) to unify all people unter one opinion. This can only be done by force and that is not what anyone wants, I assure you. So actually dividing people in many different fractions is not always a bad idea, ideally I would say everyone is entitled to a different POV. The problem is, that people think they need to convince others of their own views, even by force. That is when agression and opression come into play. Ok, that is an unripe thought here - dont take it too literally, I am just thinking aloud
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Woodsprite, if you want to discuss your politicians, start a thread. Don't try to derail this thread simply because you disagree.
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