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Old 08-29-2010, 10:20 AM
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...I'm probably the only person on both AF and ToS to actually think this way about this scene, but the thoughts going through my head about it just keep going on a loop over and over in my head. I've got to say something about it, so.... no one's going to like what I'm about to say. I posted this a little while ago on AF.


The Tsu'tey death scene was a good scene.... but I'd rather it wasn't added back in. It didn't belong. The "I see you" scene between Jake and Neytiri pretty much sealed the end of the war, and clasped everything into a sweet moment. It tied in perfectly with the shot of the humans boarding the shuttle.

I thought Tsu'tey's death took away the emotion felt during the "I see you" scene. You had your mind fully on their love, and their being together, seeing each other through their real eyes. But the death scene cutting in right afterward with Jake actually killing Tsu'tey, and Neytiri weeping over him was just an incorrect edit bout. You're supposed to have a clear, concise, close after a huge battle, and showing Jake mercy-killing Tsu'tey doesn't seal it. It just doesn't.

I completely understand the reason why Jake killed him (obviously; I adore the movie "The Last Samurai", so I'm not really against that sort of thing), but it took from the mood. The awkward thought of Jake actually being closed back up into his link pod by Neytiri in order to tend to Tsu'tey right afterward is really bothersome, and took my attention off the true melancholy nature of the tone being presented.

However, I adored the other scenes. As much as I believe the death-of-Tsu'tey scene is very powerful, and very heartfelt, I just don't think it belongs.



Now, I don't know if watching the special edition over and over again will purge these opinions of mine about this, but I have really strong doubts that I'll ever get used to it. So... if anyone wants to comment on why I might be wrong in my thinking, or why this scene really does belong, PLEASE! Share your thoughts, because I'm really at a loss, here.

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Old 08-29-2010, 10:32 AM
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I like it, but I can see why JC removed it. One beat too many. I think it might work better if they had some more lead in material before it rather than transitioning straight from the 'I see you' scene. As it is it's a bit fast paced and abrupt.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:32 AM
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All the longer additions to the SE were out of place. They didn't forward the story much and didn't blend well in the edit - the most likely reason why they weren't in the first edition. They were all fantastic additions to the movie and I enjoyed this version better but from a technical standpoint, you can see why the material didn't make into the first cut.

All the tiny snippets of new footage fitted in well though.
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:11 AM
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My opinion of the Tsu'tey death scene was that it fitted well into the story

In the original version it's only implied that he dies. For a character such as Tsu'tey, showing him get shot and falling out the back of the shuttle is a piss poor way to end his character imo. Also seeing the responsibility of Olo'eyktan being passed to Jake ties in well with the end scene of him being transferred to his avatar.

The transition from the "I see you" scene to the Tsu'tey scene may have been a bit fast but to me at least, it didn't feel awkward. But of course that can be subjective.

There is one scene that didn't fit well in this movie, and that was the explanation of the floating mountains that Jake gives after he exits the sampson. It felt like it was tacked on for the sake of explanation instead of being part of the movie. Just the dialog and execution of that scene could have been done much better imo.

anyways it was late when I wrote this and tried to do my best
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:14 AM
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The whole scene might've fit better somewhere else, rather than after the "I see you" scene...

...but then, where else would it go, really?



EDIT: You know... what would've been perfect was if the dialogue were changed between Tsu'tey and Jake, when Jake answered Tsu'tey about how the People were safe, he could've said something like "almost", or something. Maybe the whole thing could've taken place before Neytiri attacks Quaritch; perhaps she could park the thanator next to the area and see Tsu'tey, with Jake arriving... ?

...Then, maybe... give something for Jake to do while Neytiri has some sort of anger rush where she mounts the thanator and starts searching for the last of the RDA (thus finding Quaritch). Then having Jake interrupt and start fighting him, and the movie goes on from there.

I dunno.

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Old 08-29-2010, 11:20 AM
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The whole scene might've fit better somewhere else, rather than after the "I see you" scene...

...but then, where else would it go, really?
No place else to put it. It's either after the "I see you" scene or leave it out completely. perhaps a better transition?
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:22 AM
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lol, ninja'd.
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:28 AM
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lol, ninja'd.
haha, sorry

As far as your idea, i dunno either...
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:18 PM
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I agree that the scene wasn't in the best place. I think it should've been placed between when Quaritch was walking to the Shack in the AMP suit and when he and Neytiri were fighting.
Of course that would mean that Neytiri wouldn't be in the scene.
That and, what Jake said, "I'm not officer material", I don't think it was appropriate to the mood of the scene.

My only criticisms, but regardless I loved the extra footage
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I'm thinking the same thing. Because it cut right to Tsu'tey, I didn't really have the high emotions that I normally get from the I See You scene.

It probably shouldn't have been in there at all, regardless of how good it was.
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My opinion of the Tsu'tey death scene was that it fitted well into the story

In the original version it's only implied that he dies. For a character such as Tsu'tey, showing him get shot and falling out the back of the shuttle is a piss poor way to end his character imo. Also seeing the responsibility of Olo'eyktan being passed to Jake ties in well with the end scene of him being transferred to his avatar.

The transition from the "I see you" scene to the Tsu'tey scene may have been a bit fast but to me at least, it didn't feel awkward. But of course that can be subjective.

There is one scene that didn't fit well in this movie, and that was the explanation of the floating mountains that Jake gives after he exits the sampson. It felt like it was tacked on for the sake of explanation instead of being part of the movie. Just the dialog and execution of that scene could have been done much better imo.

anyways it was late when I wrote this and tried to do my best
I pretty much agree with all the above.

I saw Avatar SE yesterday, and it was that AWESOME experience all over again! Man, how I missed seeing the movie in 3D on the big screen -- there's just no substitute.

I loved pretty much all the new footage, but the particular standouts were: "Grace's School" scene, and "Tsu'tey's Death" scene. I cried during the latter scene. I'm so glad JC put these scenes back in the film...IMO, he should've never taken them out to begin with!
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:41 AM
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There is one scene that didn't fit well in this movie, and that was the explanation of the floating mountains that Jake gives after he exits the sampson. It felt like it was tacked on for the sake of explanation instead of being part of the movie. Just the dialog and execution of that scene could have been done much better imo.
I agree. The voice over seemed clumsy. It was nice hearing an explanation for them floating, even though I think that all of us already knew what caused them to float.
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I completely agree with the OP... Although it would have messed things up even more, I believe the Tsu'tey scene should have been before the "I see you" scene. As I say, that wouldn't make any sense and I still think the scene deserves to be in there but just... not there.

As you said Woodsprite, the I see you scene was the closer, the finisher. That was the end of it. The end of the war and the beginning of harmony again.
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I completely agree with the OP... Although it would have messed things up even more, I believe the Tsu'tey scene should have been before the "I see you" scene. As I say, that wouldn't make any sense and I still think the scene deserves to be in there but just... not there.

As you said Woodsprite, the I see you scene was the closer, the finisher. That was the end of it. The end of the war and the beginning of harmony again.
there is no possible way it could have been before the I see you scene
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