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Old 11-20-2010, 09:32 PM
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Man o man! Thats our future if we don't stand and fight for the trees. Got to tell you...

2154=2019

The first thing thst pops into my head is the image of me walking down those streets...


...listening to...

this





Plz listen and tell me what you think.

No wounder Jake wanted use a pair legs he teclecly allready had in a place where he can actually use them.

And Mcdonalds is still there. Not a coencadence at all.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:46 PM
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Is this the best of all possible worlds?

If not, what are we waiting for?
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:54 PM
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And Mcdonalds is still there. Not a coencadence at all.
Bet there's a Wal-Mart hidden in their somewhere, too, and probably a holo-screen running FUX news.

Well, unless some radical changes come, and we finally step-on some of the cockroaches that are currently having their way with our world, that's the future we face. Better get the gas mask ready.
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Bet there's a Wal-Mart hidden in their somewhere, too, and probably a holo-screen running FOX news.

Well, unless some radical changes come, and we finally step-on some of the cockroaches that are currently having their way with our world, that's the future we face. Better get the gas mask ready.
Don't give up hope. JC created this movie to get us to help earth not mourn it.

Infact, I'm writing an 8 page reaserch paper on Renewable energy. From the research I found, puting more renewable energy into the power grid can help the economy. I just wanted to share that. Because there is hope that the economy won't become dependent on Unabtaium. LOL
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:39 PM
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It's actually Earth 2147 (or maybe earlier), it takes Jake 6.75 years to travel to the Alpha Centauri system. Or rather, I should say it takes Jake 5.81 years. 6.75 years pass on Earth...


If you want to see that for real, take a plane to Hong Kong and then visit Mongkok on the Kowloon peninsula. It has the highest population density in the world, and when I went shopping there at night parts of it looked exactly like that.

Mong Kok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That's why we saw it... to get a chance to stop it happening.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:05 AM
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Cities do have their own beauty (though the pollution is certainly not a good thing). There's a brief shot in one of the trailers where you see the city from Jake's POV (looking up from the street), and it evoked a sort of visual parallel with the nighttime Pandoran forest. Everything lights up. Everything's alive and moving and glowing.

I'm trying to imagine how a Na'vi would feel if they were dropped into the middle of a nighttime human city with minimal preparation, and I imagine there would be a lot of similarities to Jake's reaction the first time he experienced the nighttime forest. Helplessness and fear, but also curiosity and awe. Earth may very well seem as wild and dangerous and exotic to the Na'vi as Pandora is to the average human.

I have these half-envisioned scenes in my head where Jake gives Neytiri a tour of his home city via shared lucid dreaming, with both of them in human form (many, many years in the future, when they've finally worked through their baggage).

Neytiri: What is this?
Jake: We call it a "motorcycle."
He turns the ignition. Neytiri jumps at the noise. It sounds like a predator ready to attack.
Neytiri: (shouting over the noise) You... you ride this??
Jake: Sure. C'mon.
He climbs on and pats the space behind him. Neytiri eyes the noisy, metallic creature with unease, but climbs on after a brief moment of hesitation.
Neytiri: How do you tell him where to go? There is no tsaheylu.
Jake: Well, there's this thing here called a "throttle." (points, then looks back at her) Er... you might want to hang on.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:22 AM
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Not all the pretty shiny lights in the world are going to make up for the fact that you can't even breath the air without a mask and have to subsist on ocean-grown algea your whole life.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:22 AM
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I have these half-envisioned scenes in my head where Jake gives Neytiri a tour of his home city via shared lucid dreaming, with both of them in human form (many, many years in the future, when they've finally worked through their baggage).

Neytiri: What is this?
Jake: We call it a "motorcycle."
He turns the ignition. Neytiri jumps at the noise. It sounds like a predator ready to attack.
Neytiri: (shouting over the noise) You... you ride this??
Jake: Sure. C'mon.
He climbs on and pats the space behind him. Neytiri eyes the noisy, metallic creature with unease, but climbs on after a brief moment of hesitation.
Neytiri: How do you tell him where to go? There is no tsaheylu.
Jake: Well, there's this thing here called a "throttle." (points, then looks back at her) Er... you might want to hang on.
I like that bit, Sothis! I can just imagine Neytiri's curiosity, yet waryness of something as simple as a motorcycle.

I have a little story of my own going, but it's rather lengthy so I haven't posted it here. In my writing, the Na'vi will experience something, and someone , like they have never experienced before.

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I kind of want to hear the track playing in the bar in full. Anyone else?
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:27 AM
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I kind of want to hear the track playing in the bar in full. Anyone else?
That makes two of us...

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Old 11-21-2010, 02:32 AM
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Not all the pretty shiny lights in the world are going to make up for the fact that you can't even breath the air without a mask and have to subsist on ocean-grown algea your whole life.
To be fair, you can't breathe the air on Pandora without a mask, either. :-p

All joking aside, though, you're absolutely right. I'm not claiming that Earth as depicted in the opening is anything other than the toxic, overcrowded wasteland it is; just putting a different spin on it.

I also want to throw out there that on current-day earth, your impact on the environment will be much less if you live in a city than if you live in the suburbs or country. Use of resources is much more efficient when you live where everything you need is accessible by walking or public transportation and the people don't live in separate houses (which consume a lot of energy for HVAC and lighting and probably have lawns that are maintained by harmful chemicals and overwatering). Also, one of the biggest threats to our remaining green spaces is "urban sprawl," where undeveloped land is taken over for suburban housing.

So if you want to save the earth and stop James Cameron's 2154 from becoming reality... live in a city. And if you want to live in a city, it helps to be able to appreciate their appeal.
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Another random aside... I actually did a lot of research on spirulina (algae) for a project in one of my university classes. The stuff is amazingly healthy. It has more protein, vitamins, and minerals than any other food (including both animal products and plant products). It is orders of magnitude more efficient to cultivate than conventional crops, using only a fraction of the land and water needed to produce the same nourishment. Spriulina cultivation programs have been recognized by the UN and other organizations as one of the best ways to fight malnutrition in poor countires.

Unfortunately, it's kind of gross. I sprinkled a bit of it on spaghetti, and just a small spoonful made the sauce go from red to deep green, and made it taste the way a fish tank smells. I dumped a ****ton of extra sauce on it to dilute it and mixed in a bunch of ground black pepper and other spices. That made it at least palatable, though it didn't get any less green.

In a world where everyone lives off spirulina, we'd all be fabulously healthy, but mealtime would be much less enjoyable. :-p
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The Last Train Home
Fourteen years after the war, a lone spaceship appears in the sky. The former members of the Avatar program watch its approach – expecting the worst, fearing for their adopted home. Then the ship lands. And suddenly, nothing makes sense anymore.

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Random thought: Imagine if Tom had travelled to Pandora rather than Jake, and the events of the film didn't occur for some reason or other. Tom completes his six years of work, returns to Earth... where he would be two years younger than his twin brother.

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I also want to throw out there that on current-day earth, your impact on the environment will be much less if you live in a city than if you live in the suburbs or country. Use of resources is much more efficient when you live where everything you need is accessible by walking or public transportation and the people don't live in separate houses (which consume a lot of energy for HVAC and lighting and probably have lawns that are maintained by harmful chemicals and overwatering). Also, one of the biggest threats to our remaining green spaces is "urban sprawl," where undeveloped land is taken over for suburban housing.

So if you want to save the earth and stop James Cameron's 2154 from becoming reality... live in a city. And if you want to live in a city, it helps to be able to appreciate their appeal.
Interesting percpective.
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