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Old 03-18-2010, 06:27 PM
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Default Itís Been Three Months: Seriously, Stop Hating on Avatar Already

by Susana Polo | 1:49 pm, March 15th, 2010

Last week, I Watch Stuff reported that James Cameron and Fox Studios are in talks to rerelease Avatar to theaters with some extra footage late this summer.

Now, hold it right there. Iím going to come back to this. But first, from the post:

Did Avatarís 162-minute running time leave you another to see another [sic] 10 minutes of mundane parable whitewashed with CGI?
I donít want to specifically call out I Watch Stuff, a site that puts out good stuff; itís one example of many. But seriously: Itís been three months. Everyone, stop hating all over Avatar already.

I went to see Avatar with a good friend, both of us certain that we would be, at most, mildly entertained by the jokes we made at the movieís expense. So many people had told us that Avatar was the nirvana of film making that we no longer believed it. In fact, as we got in the car to drive to the theater, I said to her, ďJust imagine. In three hours or so, we will have seen Avatar.Ē Stressing the past tense. Meaning that we would no longer have to deal with people telling us we just had to go see it. That was the extent of our motivation for going to see what was clearly just another big special effects action blockbuster: so that we could stop all the rube consumers from gushing at us about it. Elitist? Yes. But Iíll come back to this.

We sat down to watch the movie, and I think we made a joke or two about strategic placement of tubes, heads, and labcoats that kept us from any Watchmen-esque giant blue wossnames. And then, as the cast of characters were introduced and the movieís plot began to spin up from a somewhat clunky start, we shut the frak up for two entire hours.

Two savvy media consumers; a creative writing major, and a film, nay, animation student, had our cynicism generators forcibly shut down by, yes, a parable washed in CGI.

So, I reiterate.

Stop Hating On Avatar

Whenever I ask someone why they didnít like it, their first response is to say the story was too simple. For example:

Donít tell me that Avatar is just Pocahontas or Dancing With the Wolves. Listen up:

The legend of Pocahontas is one that came into our cultural consciousness because of the telling and retelling of a historical event. It was never anyoneís original idea. It was something we made up all on our own, and this reason alone should prove that it is a story worth the telling.

Why? Because this is how stories evolve. We tell them and tell them and tell them, and what you get at the end of all that is a lean, mean, survival of the fittingest machine of a narrative. We used to do this all the time; now we call it ďoral tradition.Ē We donít do it that much anymore, although we still have urban legends and internet memes, and comic book superheroes, characters who were created once and have been revived and restarted and reimagined by hundreds of others.

Avatar is just Pocahontas? And I suppose Batman Begins is just Batman? The story is only the beginning. Itís also how you tell it. Disneyís Pocahontas, while a beautiful work of animation and music, wasnít the highest grossing movie of its time.

But we donít have to just talk about a hero who visits an oppressed native people, meets a nice girl, gets over his culture shock, and saves the day. Lets talk about this story:

Harry Potter and Star Wars have the same story. Does this mean J.K. Rowling is a plagiarist? Only if George Lucas, Alexandre Dumas, Brian Jaques, C. S. Lewis, and J.R.R. Tolkien were too, because this are also the stories of The Count of Monte Cristo, Redwall, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and the myth of Perseus and the Gorgon.

Hero goes on mission with special item, possibly given to him by an elderly guide figure. Elderly guide is eliminated early on, hero must persevere without him. Hero triumphs over evil, using special item. Afterwards, hero must return home to fix domestic problem. Joseph Campbell, etc.

There are many more versions of this story than the few Iíve listed above. Hell, even Iron Man followed this form.

The Point Is:

Avatar wasnít perfect. Its villains were laughably one sided, and it still ascribed to the uncomfortable idea that so-called primitive cultures really just need one white guy to help them out. Oh! and that scientists lack the emotional intelligence to make cultural connections, and laymen donít. But please.

Please stop hating all over Avatar. A simple story does not make a movie bad. Itís how you tell it that counts. And if you didnít find the telling all that great, Iíd be really interested in talking about why, as long as you can admit that both opinions are valid.

Please stop hating all over Avatar. If you didnít like it, say so. Thatís totally okay! The last thing I want to do is rob someone of their opinion. But you cannot, at this point, simply call it bad and leave it at that. Sorry. No. I think Watchmen is a great idea wrapped up in a badly written comic book and a juvenile fixation on sex, but that can also admit that it is really important and valuable part of comics history.

Please stop hating on Avatar. Because the more I see people say that it is bad without presenting a convincing reason why, the more I can only conclude that they have decided that it is bad because the average person liked it. After all, thatís how I felt about it before I saw it. And if everybody likes it, that means that if I donít, Iím being cool. Sure, you wouldnít jump off a bridge because everyone was doing it. But you also shouldnít jump off a bridge because no one is doing it.

As a counter culture, we geeks have an apprehension about adopting anything thatís packaged for the mainstream, and we can become incensed when something that we love gets, typically late, media attention. ďI liked it before it was cool!Ē comes the cry. I can assure you that if the Twilight books werenít so popular with non-geeks, nobody in the geek world would really care if they were good or not, or about their interpretation of vampires.

Avatar was not bad. Actually, it was pretty good. Please stop hating all over it.


I do not need a theatrical release of Avatar with ten extra minutes of footage. No, really. Itís cool. I can just wait for the DVD.
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:52 PM
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Long read, but worth it.

This is what i think: Don't argue with haters, it means they win. (Was this internet rule regarding trolls or something ? )

Originally Posted by JakeFanGirl View Post
I do not need a theatrical release of Avatar with ten extra minutes of footage. No, really. It’s cool. I can just wait for the DVD.
Well, I can wait too, but IMO I'd love to see the full movie on a large screen in 3D. No home theater set can provide such an experience.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:13 PM
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I agree, I need to see the additional footage in 3D in all it's majesty in the cinema.
People should, however, get over themselves and stop thier needless hatred of Avatar. What I would say to these people is "Okay, so you didn't like it, don't spread your 'supposed' critical analysis around when it is just a list of what you didn't like about the movie. Keep it to yourself"
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:46 PM
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Very well thought out and said. Thank you JakeFanGirl.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:55 PM
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There will always be haters. There will always be those who don't see. It is better for you to not react to them. Except for a few special circumstances I don't engage them directly on things like this. I find it's better to lead by example. If someone makes a choice to come around then it is so much easier. Dwelling on these things only causes you stress and will likely do nothing for those to whom your direct your disdain.

A quote comes to mind.
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:26 AM
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If someone's determined to hate Avatar, that's that. Whatever reasons they have will be 100% valid to them no matter what any of us say. However, the reality is that Avatar's impact will remain despite the trash-talking. I'm sure some people went to see it just because they wondered "Could it really be this bad?"

The originality thing does get old. No story has been truly original since I-don't-know-when. As has been said before, many great stories and movies can be reduced to simple literary concepts (The Hero's Journey comes to mind).

There is another group of people who attack anything that is popular. I guarantee you that if Avatar made a much smaller amount of money, wasn't an Oscar contender, didn't win a Golden Globe and wasn't the "in your face" cultural phenomenon it is now, lots of these haters wouldn't' be saying anything even if the movie was the exact same.
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:40 AM
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Whenever any object (Singers/Movies/Games/Phenomenons) hit a certain level of fame and popularity, there will always be the haters who emerge. Some consider it 'cool' to be a rebel against the conformist view of the particular thing's popularity, and soon others jump on the bandwagon.

My take on this is, whenever you meet people who hate/criticize Avatar, just walk away/ignore them. After all, you can hardly change their mindsets, and all you'll do is just waste your effort and probably get pissed in the process.

Perspective is everything.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:01 AM
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The haters just give the masterpiece a bigger name haha, I love counter-productivity!! mwahahaa
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:13 AM
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:26 AM
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Its ok not everyone can like everything. Just ignore the haters and enjoy Avatar for what we see it as, an amazing movie.

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Old 03-19-2010, 11:44 AM
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Seconded ^

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Old 03-19-2010, 12:11 PM
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god damn them

but u guys are right!

donīt argue with them

i nearly heard it about 100 times "Your Avatar didnīt win at the Oscars" ....
my Avatar? Only cause iīm a fan people canmake fun of me??

but i donīt care about them...everyone has his oppinion.... whatever!

So donīt give the haters something they can feed on!

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