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Old 01-11-2011, 06:20 AM
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Default Similarities to Dune by Frank Herbert.

Since Cameron wrote the film in 1993, he stated that one of the influences was Frank Herbert's Dune which is one of his favorite books of all time.

I'm a fan of Avatar and Dune myself and you'll find similarities.

Both have heroes that left their planets to live on that new planet which is exotic and unique.
Crap hits the fan when their relatives died.
Both become outcasts and join up with a tribe of warriors that have prophecized a man would come be their leader.
Both have similar love interests.
Both the Baron and Quatrich are the same.
Both tame the wild beasts and go through tests of manhood.
Both tribes have other tribes to fight against the corporation.
And that kind of thing.
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Old 02-05-2011, 11:42 AM
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JC has already gone on record as saying that Avatar was influenced by every sci-fi book he has ever read, so it is not surprising that there are similarities.
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Dune itself is heavily influenced by things like Lawrence of Arabia.
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:59 PM
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Clearly a lot of things influenced Cameron, but I don't think Dune was one of them. The similarities mentioned are superficial at best and the differences far greater. You might well have also mentioned that the characters in both all walk upright on two feet
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:30 PM
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Exactly

It's impossible to write any story that can not be compared to another at all, and people who complain about things like Dune having similar elements are looking for things to complain about - after all, you can make the same argument with LOTR for every single fantasy book/film/game ever (and LOTR was not unique in its day, it has just outlasted all its literary predecessors).
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:45 PM
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Well Cameron is a huge fan of the Dune books and it was an influence. They also fight for a precious substance like Unobtanium and Melenge Spice.
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Well, I posted this on avatar-forums:

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...an offworld man is sent to a distant planet to help harvest a substance that everyone needs. He's recruited to mingle among the natives to gain their trust, but inevitably falls for one of them. A princess/daughter to planetologist (slight difference). She's quite the feisty one, noble, pretty, and is also in love with the protagonist. She teaches him the ways of her people, he becomes one of them, and also turns out to be very special (Toruk Makto/Mahdi). They ban together to fight the forces that threaten their way of life, win the battle, take control of the planet and the resource that everyone wants, and they live together happily.... until Dune Messiah/Avatar 2 comes along.

Yeah, I'd say Cameron took a few references from Dune.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:31 PM
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Cameron may have been influenced by the feel and epic nature of Dune, but the details of the story are very, very different. Not the least of the differences is that in Avatar the natives want to preserve their world's environment against intruders who want to destroy it. In Dune it's just the opposite! The outsiders want to keep Dune just as it is and continue to harvest spice. While the Fremen are engaged in a long-term project that will DESTROY Dune's desert environment and create a green paradise for them. Quite a difference!
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True, but the premise is the same. The outsiders want to harvest the precious substance at any cost, including killing the natives. In both Dune and in Avatar, the natives are fighting for the right to their own planet.

The differences start when Muad'Dib uses his power to create a political monopoly, allowing the other houses to continue their business with him as the prime overseer. Jake Sully plays a different game when he ousts the outsiders altogether, preventing anyone from using Pandora's resources.
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Well, there's also the motives of the main characters. Jake is only trying to preserve the forest and the People and the woman he loves. Paul is out for revenge, regaining his overlordship of the planet, and ultimately for power. Under most circumstances Paul wouldn't be a very sympathetic character, only the fact that his adversaries are so much worse allows us to root for him. A very different situation from Avatar
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Mllte oe tsmukanhu alu Scott Washburn.
Fėtxeleri, fpėl oel futa lu pxaya vurur ayfya'o a lam fkoru nė'it na fya'o vurä relä arusikx alu Uniltėrantokx. Kxawm fė'u len taluna kin ayronsemėl awngeyä futa nivong ayvurol fėfnefya'oti lepamrel, fte tsun awngaru sivunu nė'ul fwa hem sė ayfya'o letėrey suteyä levur.

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^Can't argue with that.
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I sometimes like to inject English language threads with a few words in Na'vi. I don't want the Na'vi language to be isolated to a tiny clique.
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I sometimes like to inject English language threads with a few words in Na'vi. I don't want the Na'vi language to be isolated to a tiny clique.
But what happens to those who can't read it? I for one am terrible with languages - I have dyslexia, which makes it really hard for me to learn new languages. It's not exactly very fair to write something when you know other people can't read it, in a thread that's in English.

To comment on the thread topic - having seen Dune the other day, I have to say that beyond the very, very, very superficial, I don't think Avatar is anything LIKE Dune.
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Were you watching the 1984 version, or the sci-fi channel miniseries?
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