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Old 03-04-2011, 02:55 AM
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During the 36th time watching Avatar I noticed something. In the begging when Jake is stranded in the forest he makes a spear, and wraps his jacket to make a torch as well. When the Viperwolves are approaching it is nearly pitch black so he needs to light a fire. After the fire is put out the forest lights up so bright it looks like normal daylight hours. My question is, why wasn't the forest that bright earlier?
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:29 AM
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Probably cinematic effect. Same reason why you don't hear the blaring breach alarm during the "I see you" scene.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:48 AM
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What Woodsprite said, though I guess you could also imagine that it takes some time for the bioluminescence to "react" to nightfall.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:39 AM
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I believe it's cinematic effect and point of view. I think that because Sully is the narrator of the story, the viewers are in his shoe, so we see the events of the movie through his eyes. Thus, when he was first lost in the forest, his perception of the bio-luminescence is rather poor, and the film wants us to perceive it in the same way. Rather nice touch by Cameron in my opinion.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:49 AM
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Partly effect, and partly to avoid showing the bioluminescence before Neytiri appears. There is still bioluminescence before, it's just more subtle and you have to expect it.
As for the alarm in the mobile link, that could automatically stop after a certain time, which would make sense as everyone would either be dead or have an exopack on by then.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:12 PM
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In either case, the bioluminescent scene right after is one of the prettiest things ever put on a movie screen
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Partly effect, and partly to avoid showing the bioluminescence before Neytiri appears. There is still bioluminescence before, it's just more subtle and you have to expect it.
As for the alarm in the mobile link, that could automatically stop after a certain time, which would make sense as everyone would either be dead or have an exopack on by then.
I think the alarm is still on throughout that scene, actually, because you can see the lights flashing. It just gets really muted once Neytiri puts the mask on Jake's face. I always thought that was a nice touch, as it sort of subtly indicates that the danger has passed, and it emphasizes how focused they are on each other during that moment. Everything else just fades to irrelevance, even the blaring alarm.

The fickle bioluminescence could also be a similar point-of-view thing. Before Neytiri shows up, Jake is lost and freaked and mildly panicking. So while there might actually be luminescence, Jake isn't really seeing it, so we as the audience don't see it either. As a result, we get a dark and scary forest, because that's how Jake is perceiving it at that time.

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In either case, the bioluminescent scene right after is one of the prettiest things ever put on a movie screen
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It definitely does seem as though the plants reacts to darkness. I briefly pondered what the evolutionary purpose of the bioluminescence might be, but never reached a compelling theory. I'm sure somebody's written one up somewhere...
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If you look at the scene carefully, you see that while Jake is making the torch night has not quite fallen, there's still some light in the sky. And the plants are just starting to glow. So faintly that Jake probably doesn't notice them. And once the torch is lit its brightness completely overwhelms the bioluminescence. Just as you will lose you night-vision when you look at a bright light, Jake's vision is focused on the torch and what it is illuminating. By the time Neytiri puts the torch out, night has fallen and the plants are glowing more brightly and as Jake's eyes adjust he finally notices them. Nothing fickle about it
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Pandora likely has occasional extended periods of night due to being a moon, so it evolved primarily as a mechanism for those, but also the fact that something with no light would be very obvious in the night there, and bioluminescent markings on animals are used as a form of identification of individuals.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:59 PM
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Yeah, I'll agree, can anyone else think of any other scenes like this? I can, when the viperwolves attack Jake there is a confusing scene. Jake loses his spear and takes his knife out, in the scene where he gets tackled it looks like a viperwolf jumps at him from the side. But he is only hit by the only that hits him from the front.
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Perhaps the viperwolf knocked him down, and then got in his face. I don't know for sure; I'll have to watch again for that.
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I'm pretty sure, that in one frame their were 2 viperwolves, and in the next only one
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:39 PM
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For the story baby, for the story. I'm sure we could come up with a myriad of reason why it could be, but I don't buy it.
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In either case, the bioluminescent scene right after is one of the prettiest things ever put on a movie screen

+ 1, that scene always confirms my 'exit' from my current depressing world atm
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