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Old 03-22-2011, 01:54 PM
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Do you think the Na vi, and Pandora will go the same way as we and our world? Will "development" hit them, will they develop agriculture, civilisations, cities? Will they develop trade, money and greed? Will they start to use technology and start to destroy their world and its life forms in the same way as we have done?

Or are they more wise and will they with the aid of Eywa preserve the balance and continue to be an integrated part of their world and its ecology?

And how will the exposure to humans and human ideas affect them in the long run?
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Well they are linked with their environment more so than we are capable of, and I don't mean that on just an emotional/spiritual level, though that of course comes with it.

So they probably wouldn't change. They wouldn't have any reason to.
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No, they're held in a perfectly balanced environment. Change, as we saw in Avatar, is given a swift kick to the balls by the oversight power(Eywa). Planetary intelligence controls everything, so nothing will change without it's approval.
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You can keep a ballance building safe for you and the environment. And this stands for civilisations, industry and everything. Agriculture and trading are fair, but combining them without using money and greed. We made and we are making a huge mistake even thinking only about our own good and not applying that to everyone. Don't forget that Avatar is a derivation of what race humanity USED to be.
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You can keep a ballance building safe for you and the environment. And this stands for civilisations, industry and everything. Agriculture and trading are fair, but combining them without using money and greed. We made and we are making a huge mistake even thinking only about our own good and not applying that to everyone. Don't forget that Avatar is a derivation of what race humanity USED to be.
For a brief span. We've never really "meshed" for any real amount of time. We're always building new and better ways to do things.
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No I don't think they will, they are far too connected to their world and Eywa to change the way humans changed. The respect and love they hold for Pandora is something I don't think any Na'vi would give up for 'light beer and blue jeans'. In fact now that they have seen what 'progress' is in the form of humans and the RDA I think they are even less likely to tread that dark path.
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Of course we do, isn't it the reason ? I mean you can't stay "this way" and you have to evolve. A reasonable race does that, to evolve. Thousands of years ago life was pretty much similar to the life on Pandora, it was fair and it was worth it because lifestyle was based on pre-established principles. The Na'vi aren't a real race, it's just human imagination who tried to remember a time when we used to live in solid communities, solidary environment and harmony with everything. It's very hard to "build" a predictional model on the Na'vi society since it's a fictional race.

At least we all are taking an example from the Na'vi, we should "spread the word" through different activities and the world might understand and try to repair their relationship with the environment. But first, their relationship with themselves, because before doing that you must search inside. EVERY single human holds the power to change, at least that outsider leaders manipulated them and put a distance between materialism and spiritualism, implying that material does worth it and spirit doesn't.
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Of course we do, isn't it the reason ? I mean you can't stay "this way" and you have to evolve. A reasonable race does that, to evolve. Thousands of years ago life was pretty much similar to the life on Pandora, it was fair and it was worth it because lifestyle was based on pre-established principles. The Na'vi aren't a real race, it's just human imagination who tried to remember a time when we used to live in solid communities, solidary environment and harmony with everything. It's very hard to "build" a predictional model on the Na'vi society since it's a fictional race.

At least we all are taking an example from the Na'vi, we should "spread the word" through different activities and the world might understand and try to repair their relationship with the environment. But first, their relationship with themselves, because before doing that you must search inside. EVERY single human holds the power to change, at least that outsider leaders manipulated them and put a distance between materialism and spiritualism, implying that material does worth it and spirit doesn't.

And twenty years before that, it was entirely different. We spent an almost miniscule amount of time at that stage. We were different before, we're different after.
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Agreed. But try to put yourself in a Na'vi's place. What would you do ? Could you resist without an evolution ? Even if that evolution is material or spiritual.
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It's not about what they want, if Ewya needs them to change to protect the world, then Eywa will change them. (through guidance and such, "not so natural" selection) They can't just up and decide they want to start farming.
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PLEASE stop trolling. It's not even funny.

The Na'vi don't have ANY of humans' problems, they never need to change anything, because they are happy.
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PLEASE stop trolling. It's not even funny.

The Na'vi don't have ANY of humans' problems, they never need to change anything, because they are happy.
They also don't have all our freedoms. I've made the gilded cage reference before actually...
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Freedom to do what? To destroy everything, to live as pathetic wage slaves, an empty life in a dead world, convincing themselves they are happy?
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Freedom to do what? To destroy everything, to live as pathetic wage slaves, an empty life in a dead world, convincing themselves they are happy?
I can choose, they can't. As I said, the cage is nice, they have everything they need or might want, but its still a cage.


EDIT: of course modern life is similar, but its less cage like. We'll get there eventually, they will not.
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Do you think the Na vi, and Pandora will go the same way as we and our world? Will "development" hit them, will they develop agriculture, civilisations, cities? Will they develop trade, money and greed? Will they start to use technology and start to destroy their world and its life forms in the same way as we have done?

Or are they more wise and will they with the aid of Eywa preserve the balance and continue to be an integrated part of their world and its ecology?

And how will the exposure to humans and human ideas affect them in the long run?
Well, first up - what do you mean by civilization and agriculture? They probably already have the latter, to be honest. Just because they don't clear fields and have things in straight lines doesn't mean that they can't/don't 'farm' the trees in order to guarantee a food source. Which, given they are a sedentary village of (according to one of the pictures) at least roughly 300, AFTER Hometree fell, would be of primary importance.

I'm also a little concerned that you equate 'technology' with 'destroying the world'. I mean, bows and arrows and looms can be considered technology, but no one is complaining about the Na'vi having THEM. But it also depends on how the fallout goes - if they are forced to interact with humans more during the sequels, they kinda have to change a bit to cope with that (and don't think that having an Earth-raised clan-leader isn't going to change the Omaticaya). But if not, they are free to remain stagnant. Or, Eywa is free to let them remain stagnant, which is probably much closer to the truth.

But I do have to wonder if, even with the other Avatars remaining, if things will start to change. A Na'vi mother bringing her badly wounded or ill child to them and asking for help, whereas normally the child would die/be put out of its misery like Tsu'tey. Things like that can have ripple-effects. And they've had a taste of how useful human-tech can be, with the communication devices warn during battle.

So, hmm. Hard to say, but I'm leaning towards Eywa keeping them stagnant.
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