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Old 04-05-2011, 04:25 AM
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Kaltxi ma clan. Not sure if this topic has been brought up or not but I always wondered about Jake and the days he wasn't in the link during the daylight hours. It seems he is in the link and in his avatar mostly during the day but then in the evening that is when he would obviously be out of the link and out of his avatar.

I noticed there was at least one scene when Jake and Norm are talking in the shack and it was during the day. (picture below) There might be a few more scenes I have may have missed but it makes me wonder where did Jake "park" his avatar during those daytimes hours when not in the link and did Neytiri wonder where he was? Did he like go some place else away from the clan to leave it out of sight or did they already know he was "an avatar/dreamwalker" and it was a given? Any thoughts on this as I love getting other people's input and ideas.


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Old 04-05-2011, 05:29 AM
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Yeah, I've also wondered this. We know Neytiri has at least some knowledge of how the system works because of how she responds after the final battle but the extent to which they speak about it and work around the times Jake isn't operating his avatar are unclear. I like to think that the 'I see you' scene is the first time human Jake and Neytiri interact directly because that just seems so much more romantic and beautiful to me.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:06 AM
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Huh, interesting.

Maybe he just went to wherever his hammock was and passed out for a while?
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:42 AM
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Kaltxi ma clan. Not sure if this topic has been brought up or not but I always wondered about Jake and the days he wasn't in the link during the daylight hours. It seems he is in the link and in his avatar mostly during the day but then in the evening that is when he would obviously be out of the link and out of his avatar.

I noticed there was at least one scene when Jake and Norm are talking in the shack and it was during the day. (picture below) There might be a few more scenes I have may have missed but it makes me wonder where did Jake "park" his avatar during those daytimes hours when not in the link and did Neytiri wonder where he was? Did he like go some place else away from the clan to leave it out of sight or did they already know he was "an avatar/dreamwalker" and it was a given? Any thoughts on this as I love getting other people's input and ideas.


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Neytiri, Eytukan, Mo'at and Tsu'tey knew from the beginning about Jake being a dreamwalker and after that so did the rest of the Omaticaya people. It is very possible for Jake to go put his avatar body to sleep in the hammock after every training with Neytiri, then wake up and take care of his natural body life out in the shack. Remember when in the CE Grace told Jake that he needs to take care of his body eating all that chemical crap, then he can take care of the other body, outside.
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Old 04-05-2011, 12:34 PM
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The Na'vi all know, that much is clear. I guess he just went to 'sleep' for a few hours at some point during the day. That is mostly during the earlier part of him becoming Na'vi though, later on he is spending as much time as he can with the Na'vi, as anyone would
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Old 04-05-2011, 12:38 PM
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The Na'vi all know, that much is clear. I guess he just went to 'sleep' for a few hours at some point during the day. That is mostly during the earlier part of him becoming Na'vi though, later on he is spending as much time as he can with the Na'vi, as anyone would
Very well put. Now that he is one of the Na'vi physically and spiritually, he won't return to his human body or to Earth.
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Old 04-05-2011, 11:11 PM
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I was thinking.. how come in the "i was sent here to.." scene, Tsu'tey acts as though its a shock when Jake passes out ("you see? a demon in a false body" or what ever it is he says.) If they all knew what he was, surely Tsu'tey wouldn't have pointed it out like it was a suprise to everyone?

Gah, so confused :L
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I was thinking.. how come in the "i was sent here to.." scene, Tsu'tey acts as though its a shock when Jake passes out ("you see? a demon in a false body" or what ever it is he says.) If they all knew what he was, surely Tsu'tey wouldn't have pointed it out like it was a suprise to everyone?

Gah, so confused :L
I didn't see it so much as a shock at the different body bit - more than a) the Na'vi had never seen the Avatars just collapse and b) as a kind of 'look! The bodies are FALSE', as more of a reminder that Jake isn't truly one of them (as Tsu'tey sees it).
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I didn't see it so much as a shock at the different body bit - more than a) the Na'vi had never seen the Avatars just collapse and b) as a kind of 'look! The bodies are FALSE', as more of a reminder that Jake isn't truly one of them (as Tsu'tey sees it).
Ah okay, that makes more sense
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:19 PM
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i'm wondering too where his avatar was, it's a good question, i thinks he hided somewhere


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Kaltxi ma clan. Not sure if this topic has been brought up or not but I always wondered about Jake and the days he wasn't in the link during the daylight hours. It seems he is in the link and in his avatar mostly during the day but then in the evening that is when he would obviously be out of the link and out of his avatar.

I noticed there was at least one scene when Jake and Norm are talking in the shack and it was during the day. (picture below) There might be a few more scenes I have may have missed but it makes me wonder where did Jake "park" his avatar during those daytimes hours when not in the link and did Neytiri wonder where he was? Did he like go some place else away from the clan to leave it out of sight or did they already know he was "an avatar/dreamwalker" and it was a given? Any thoughts on this as I love getting other people's input and ideas.


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Old 04-06-2011, 08:50 PM
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I was thinking.. how come in the "i was sent here to.." scene, Tsu'tey acts as though its a shock when Jake passes out ("you see? a demon in a false body" or what ever it is he says.) If they all knew what he was, surely Tsu'tey wouldn't have pointed it out like it was a suprise to everyone?

Gah, so confused :L
I don't think he should be shocked :

Grace : "The Na'vi learned about us as much as they needed..." Maybe this aspect about the AVATAR bodies being dreamwalking bodies wasn't taken out of account when building the learning basics for the Na'vi people. I think that Tsu'tey knew and the others didn't, but this forms a conflict between what they were told and what they knew before Jake came in to bring the news.
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I think they all knew what he was and understood how the system worked somewhat. Grace probably would have had to teach them that. I figure during the day he'd "park" in his hammock at hometree. It's the safest place.


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I like to think that the 'I see you' scene is the first time human Jake and Neytiri interact directly because that just seems so much more romantic and beautiful to me.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:54 PM
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Indeed... it's about Neytiri loving him even then

As for where his avatar was, clearly in the hammock in Hometree.

He seemed to be spending as much time as he could linked after a while though, so I guess this was only for the first part of when he was learning
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