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Old 07-25-2016, 10:34 PM
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With the sudden closure of avatar-forums.com I'm wondering, did the community spread out too far after Avatar came out.

I counted at least five different community forums or fan sites with most of them dying out over the years. I wonder if part of the problem is that since we're so spread out and the community rather small we're struggling to keep sites going because each has only a small core.

I'm not saying we would combine into one website but I do feel this is a problem for the Avatar fan community.
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Old 07-26-2016, 05:41 AM
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I don't think so, although to be fair I was never on Na'vi Blue or Avatar Prime.

We started off with Avatar-forums and Learn Na'vi. ToS was an outgrowth from the schism that formed when avatar forums was sold to Lon.

The problem as I see it was two fold.

1. I think a lot of people left avatar forums and the avatar fan community in general when that happened.
2. (and this is the big one): A thriving fan community requires more content than we were provided. It's been what, eight years? No sequel, no novels, no comics, no television shows, no merchandise after the first few months, there is nothing to really discuss anymore and there hasn't been for a very long time.
3. After Avatar left theaters (and to a lesser extent even when we were there) I don't think we were never a large enough community to organize very many local meetups. Since the start of 2011, I've seen Avatar in a theater about a half a dozen times, many of which were at a cinema museum. Just listening to the people who were there, it seemed like a lot of the people who were there either lived within walking distance or literally hadn't seen the movie before as opposed to die hard fans of the film.
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:24 AM
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Why was there a schism when Lon bought AF??
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:13 PM
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Well, the community is indeed a bit too much spread all over the web. And we are really missing a single platform where a majority of the people are around.

I would say let's all join either a fresh Skype/Discord chat or let's all meet up on IRC
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:09 AM
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Or just have multiple tabs open :p but yea it is tough being separated, but I also know that people like thier "homes" that they have for Avatar and they like to stay where they are more comfortable, I try to hit alot of the spots, but it is tough to get to everywhere(especially if I try reading up on the Na'vi lanquage, and that takes time :p)
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:38 PM
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Or just have multiple tabs open :p but yea it is tough being separated, but I also know that people like thier "homes" that they have for Avatar and they like to stay where they are more comfortable, I try to hit alot of the spots, but it is tough to get to everywhere(especially if I try reading up on the Na'vi lanquage, and that takes time :p)
I do not have an account on Learn Na'vi for two reasons.
1. I find it extremely difficult to learn other languages. I've tried at least twice with two different languages and I couldn't.
2. I think it is somewhat futile to learn what has been established to not have a written language via the written word. Even if I could learn English phonetically written Na'vi, that isn't going to help me speak it.

And Avatar Prime whenever I visited it never seemed to have gotten off the ground, so I split my time between avatar forums (primarily) and here. I spent more time there because it seemed to be the more active forum. But now it's gone.
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Old 07-28-2016, 03:58 AM
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Learning Na'vi is def. a challenge, and I may never be very good at it, but it is something for me to atleast keep trying at while we are waiting for the sequels Yea learning from written text isnt the best, but, its something
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Old 07-28-2016, 10:22 PM
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Learn Na'vi has a german subforum, but its pretty much dead and I don't really have something to contribute :/
I'm not actively learning Na'vi, so I don't visit LN that often.

The important news threads and discussions always appear on both AF and ToS, but after years of lurking I started posting on AF simply because it had a larger community.
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Old 07-31-2016, 05:06 AM
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Starting first with the understanding that James Cameron's Avatar and its Global fandom community simply does not fit the mold and is quite diffrent from from fandom other films due to the films reflective nature ,as Cameron as said "Fans of the film, fans of the world around us as well " the more split up and less unified these community's are, the greater the difficulty it will have as a "global family" in sharing thoughts on aspects of the film "across" cultural perceptions around our world, community unity Bonds are a part of the films core ethos and I certainly admire Cameron and the artistic creative community at lightstorm for "Staying true and Authentic" to the films "Ethos Roots" this hold a deeper perception impact core seen upon on many levels regardless to media and market perceptions and influence attempts,, recognition of the community on a global level and our ability to connect and reflect from this place of shared understanding is vital to the community's well being and our ability to "see" each other.

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Old 08-03-2016, 11:18 PM
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A lot has been said on this topic on the past, but to offer a quick summary-

It's easy to see communities such as Tree of Souls, Avatar-Forums, Learn Na'vi and more as 'fan forums' - while this is absolutely true, it does miss a very important part of all of these forum boards. Namely, a somewhat smaller focus on the subject matter (Avatar) and a larger focus on the actual community - this is easily noticed even just by looking at the numbers (ToS has about twice the amount of "offtopic" posts compared to Avatar-related ones, and that's not counting the forum games section). But more so, it's noticed by the atmosphere and tone of the communities.

Naturally I can mostly speak for Tree of Souls and not so much for AF, LN or other communities, though in the case of ToS is has never been as much an "Avatar" forum as much as a community forum for people who were first brought together by the film - and even some people who were simply brought in by existing members and have no strong feelings about the movie whatsoever. Indeed, it has always been the policy of ToS to be absolutely welcoming even to people who don't like the movie whatsoever, as long as they aren't disrespectful to the people who do (and vice versa!)

Where am I going with this? Well, with this in mind, whereas it's fairly easy to have a single, centralized community when its primary focus is on a specific subject matter, this is much harder - and less relevant altogether - when the communities are defined more by their members than what they are centered around. ToS was founded and exists around its members, and over time has naturally shaped into a community with its own identity and people. Similarly, Learn Na'vi has its own focus, and so did AF.

This absolutely doesn't mean that each community should exist in a vacuum - far from it! A whole lot of people are active in several of these forums simultaneously, and get different things out of the different forums. What it does indicate, though, is that most Avatar communities have naturally formed into their own identities in a very positive sense, and the fact that they are separate communities doesn't mean it's too fragmented or spread out, but rather that the community as a whole has diversified into a few groups each with their own history and identity. This is a great thing!

I personally believe that it is indeed very important for all the communities to collaborate, but not by merging together or forming a single destination for Avatar fans. Rather by collaborating, helping its members to find the different sites, and working together.

This being said, it's true that there's less activity and less members when there are several destinations, but it's very natural for a community to shrink and grow over time. There's a tenth, maybe a hundredth of the active users here compared to in 2010, but this isn't an inherently bad thing - it just means that right now, the community is a bit slower and more quiet. It's not a problem for the community as much as a natural indication of its size overall, and smaller communities are fine too. Eventually more people will undoubtedly join all Avatar communities as the sequel takes flight, and we will see a revitalization everywhere.

Hopefully, the Avatar community with all its clans will stay together and collaborate over the many years to come
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Old 08-07-2016, 09:13 PM
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Eltu exactly thats the way it should be, interacting between the various places is the magical word
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:21 AM
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Well said, Eltu.
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Old 08-09-2016, 03:10 PM
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I can reflect on issues I have learned in working with diffrent Traditinal native community's ,, while we all share common roots, we also all have diffrent "unique" Cultural identity's ,,
one of the deepest core issues Native peoples have sought to address lies in our primal human animal selves, "the Human Tribalism response" I have made effort to try and show "how" native community's and there Leadership "strutures" in there past and active present "today" have dealt with intertribal conflicts (some leading to epic generational wars between the peoples) Avatar's rooting symbolgy with the refelctive statement "I see you" -(I see or recognize your spirit) resonated with many people ,, and has brought value and recognition to the importance of "seeing and hearing" from this internal place of understanding ,, maybe a symbolic story might help explain take a look on youtube at "Jake swamp shares part of the peace makers story" anyway our community's fall into this category as well , common roots but unique group community identity's. or clans . the strutures are there , use them .
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:56 PM
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Eltu is right.

The forums used to be a great portal for the movie Avatar, but as the years went they have become more like simple social clubs with some Avatar in the background.
The subject has been worn out and we also have real lives, so people leave one by one. What keeps some people here is the social identity that has been created between the members.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:25 AM
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What keeps some people here is the social identity that has been created between the members.
I'm basically a celebrity here
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