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Old 07-06-2017, 07:26 AM
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Default The Bull**** Occusations of Avata Pt. 2 - Imperialism

So I promissed that I'll cover all of the occusations of Avatar, in my first thread... Sorry it took so long, but I had some problems, my mom was in the hospital, then I had my 18th birthday... all that stuff, but now I'm back, and am ready to squish another bull**** occusation of Avatar.

In this thread, I'll be covering I think the most common one-Imperialism.

So, let's start from defining imperialism, what is it?

Imperialism-a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force or other means.

Now, in Avatar, the RDA didn't realy want that much influance over the Na'vi, Parker Salfrigde even said something like 'We have offered them schools roads education, but they rather mud, and it wouldn't bother me, if not the fact that their damn villige happens to rest in on the largest deposit of unobtainium' All the RDA wanted is the mineral, not power over the Na'vi, however, that leads to expanding the RDA's territory, so they needed to kick the Na'vi out. So colonization and wanting to expand the territoryand claim ownership of it IS Imperialism, and the RDA were doing just that.

So, does Avatar contain iperialism? Defenetly yes, but does Avatar promote it?
**** no!

That's clear, that Avatar doesn't promote imperialism, I'd say, it's an anti-imperialism movie, because the RDA lost the war with the Na'vi, and hadded to leave Pandora, thus leave EVERYTHING that maneged to capture rob steal etc.

Now, if any of the occusers are reading this, you're probably a christian, prosumably because they are the main attackers of the film, and I wanna tell you something.

You, and your out dated religion, are also imperialists, religion (no matter is it christianity, islam or any other) PROMOTES IMPERIALISM! how?
Well just look: you used force throughout centries to convert people into believing in jesus, in your god mythology etc. and if they didn't agree, you burnt rthem alive at the stak, and today you still, use this tactic of trying to force others, fact, you don't murder people anymore, because thank whoever came up with the law that forbids that, but you still brainwash children in churches, you even have christian faith schools, you have all the politicians, you say that who doesn't believe in jesus shouldn't be considered American, and you wnat everyone to believe in your god, and I have a question? what is that called what your doing?

It's called Imperialism!! The same damn thing you occuse Avatar or any other film in that matter mof promoting! And you accuse Avatar of doing that and the you go and continue to 'spread' the faith, and that's the very core of imperialism-spreading your influance, you wanna spread your faith because then you have control over more territories, just like the church is doing now in Africa, they are converting native tribes to expand influance, expand power, cuz you know that once you brainwash them, into believing in christianity, you'll have total control over them, you'll turn them into yoiur slaves, that will pay you, the last penny they'll give you the was gonna be spent on bread for the and their children, cuz you scared them with the fony threat of iternal damnation, which no loving god would do. That's the very defenition of imperialism!

Now, to be fair, not only religion uses imperialism, everyone does, Imperialism is not only when people fight over territory, but it also includes animals. when wolves fight it's also imperialism, they fight over territory, and humans also do it in everyday life. when two corporations concure each other, that's imperialism, when brother and sister fight over a room, it's imperialism, even if children fight who will have the best part of the sandbox, it's also imperialism. It's everywhere, it's a part of nature, it's a part of this universe, and whatever you do, there's no stopping it.
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:25 PM
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Now, if any of the occusers are reading this, you're probably a christian, prosumably because they are the main attackers of the film, and I wanna tell you something.

You, and your out dated religion, are also imperialists, religion (no matter is it christianity, islam or any other) PROMOTES IMPERIALISM! still brainwash children in churches, you even have christian faith schools
Sounds like you're having a bad day? Who hurt you?

Besides this is still quite the rant (probs the most entertaining thing on this forum right now *hides from Eltu*)

Anyways, I thought imperialism was supposed to be a theme of Avatar. I wouldn't exactly call it a 'bull****' accusation. BTW didn't you already make a thread asking whether Porridge was a christian - I thought we were over this - whats your vendetta against religious people? (P.S IM NOT RELIGIOUS BTW) just curious.

EDIT: 'The bullsh*** occusations of Avatar' - how did spellcheck let you get away with that?
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I made this thread just put my arguments, I didn't have a bad day, but I'm not sure who sees it, and I thought that maybe the guys that occuse Avatar could see this thread, as for the spelling the letters on my keyboard are wearing off, and I don't see them well. This was supposed to be a series of threads in defense of Avatar, and as a fan, I think it's my duty to defend this movie, escpecialy that I'm non-religious, my only religion is science, no fairytale, I studied the bible, checked the evidence that they give.almost nothing matches. I didn't want to look like a troll, but defending Avatar is something that has to be done! I'll make a thread next about beasiality, another nonsensical occusation. and I also explained, that yes, Avatar IS about imperialism, and that the film is anti-Imperialism, and doesn't promote it
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:28 PM
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Personally I'm not a strong believer in authorial intent - I think it's fairly clear imperialism is indeed something Avatar covers, though whether it's promoting it or not is up to the interpretation of the viewer.

Myself, I like to respond to "accusations" of Avatar with a "Well, feel free to interpret the film that way, I am interpreting it differently"
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:23 PM
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Sounds like one is also out to core address the roots behind what came to be coined "Manifest Destiny" in 1845 by Newspaper editor John O Sullivan ,, as well as issues revolving around the roots of pseudo science behind the "Eugenics" movement. of course what happened in Australia and south America Apply as well .
Take a look at the heart of the Mabo case (a positive action taken in 1992 ! to address our past actions) in very recent
Australian history..

If one has a heart Avatar's core symbology certainly reflects upon those underlying "strutures" in a number of surprising ways we see or "recognize" this inside .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5SWDeIgNpE

A first peoples perspective:
Richard Twiss: A Theology of Manifest Destiny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mEkMy1KNW0

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It is reflected artistically by video authors as well " but remember they are reading into there own history ,, Avatar never in dialog directly uses a religious justification venue though it does use it in some of its harsh language examples " , The core question is How does the RDA "justify" there actions against The Na'vi people , Why does the "Symbolic" RDA think they are "superior" to them , The science team in general works with effort to counter this with the findings as well as graces shared emotions in working with the Na'vi people ,, so its not all the Humans this is very important as well (some to the humans see things through diffrent eyes) , Its all about questioning the roots of "Justification" venues past and present in refection to our own history and that's why the film is so powerful on many levels..


"Avatar what's its really about" (from the perspective of the video author of course everyone "sees" the symbolic examples shown in the film and what they reflect upon from there own internal ethos perspective so there are many viewpoints out there) I have seen this through the tales reflected around our world and it often relates to local politics and history "but" while the wording differs there are many common roots touched on that hold deep interwoven roots (all human beings can internaly relate to them no matter what culture they are from) ..

https://youtu.be/5aEkbZGHnJw

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Old 09-06-2017, 01:06 AM
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Okay, so on "occusation".... this is not even a word. You clearly mean accusations. If you're going to make an argument and you want people to listen to that argument, try to get the main word concerning said argument correct.

prosumably = presumably

Don't you use or have spellcheck?

Ah, I see you said something about the letters of your keyboard starting to wear off, but that has nothing to do with misspelling words. It really does not, for reasons that should be obvious enough I don't have to state them.
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according to Dr. Augustine and her scientists, the Omaticayan's Hometree ancestral home was over 20,000 years old, far longer than the whole of human history, which in 2154 is still around 10,000 years or less. the rda/secops cared nothing for this fact nor the right of sovereignty by a civilization no matter how 'primitive' (in the eyes of the usurping rda of course) that had been there thousands of years previous to the arrival of the rda. there is definitely a theme of imperialism in Avatar, but there are quite a few methods of imperialism that don't in fact, use colonization to further the spread of imperial aims. colonization means moving your men, women, and children in to your conquered territories and expanding your social borders, using force of arms, at least on earth. no matter how areas the rda thugs dug up on Pandora, i believe they would have stayed at hellsgate no matter what, or built more hellsgates, but i don't ever believe the rda would have colonized Pandora, nope they would have dumped the planet like common trash, once they had extracted all the financially viable ores and resources from it. that's what corporations do, get everything they can and run from the wreckage, case in point, the vast ecological damage done here on Terra, by the ever-encroaching oil industries. ugh.

i think JC is more promoting the themes of corporatism than imperialism, in my opinion, though i do agree with the overreaching aims of imperialism, stated earlier in this topic. i tend to go neutral on the religious angles because i'm pretty much going with the live and let live policy on divine creators and omnipotent celestial beings, as i get older lol. i much prefer a 'divine entity' be like Eywa, to be honest, and i sure hope whatever being rules this universe, when my life force essence departs Terra, is female, oh the supreme irony of that! hell yeahhh!

all this said, i sure hope JC and the Lightstorm/Weta team are getting this show on the road soon. we've been waiting eight years already, and i need more!
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> 20,000 years old, far longer than the whole of human history
It's actually 10 times longer than this, not taking into account the ancestors of homo sapiens.
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This example shows some of work being done to address the Acts of past history
in Regards what is being done in this example the clergy of a number of churches are making the Act to "repudiate" or in plain English to in ceremony core reject as having no "authority" or binding force:
The Doctrine of Discovery and the Authority of the language it represents ,, But the biggest challenge is to "truly eliminate The Doctrines binding language in the deep source code of the "justification" strutures internalized within the wording of the laws of our nation that are still active and binding "Today" there symbolic act of "burning" to ash this Document in the sacred fire is quite powerful "But" fancy words must be followed by demonstrated actual actions to achieve true reconciliation on everyone's part ..

Churches denounce Doctrine of Discovery example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1x6zuYp0g0

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> 20,000 years old, far longer than the whole of human history
It's actually 10 times longer than this, not taking into account the ancestors of homo sapiens.

the carbon dating method is still the only known method we have today, that can reliably date early human fossils with a scientific degree of certainty that is understandable within our feeble grasp of time. carbon dating definitely puts known human civilization traces from relics, tools, and bones, back to about between 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. at about 14,000 years, carbon dating is completely unreliable because the decay rate of carbon can only be proven by hypothetical reasoning based on guesswork of what constituted the difference between animal and man. 10,000 years is still the widely accepted length at which known civilization of groups of humans goes back to, at least in this era of scientific proof and reasoning.

for our story, Hometree itself, the tree was 20,000 years old, suggesting the Na'vi were there many years before moving to that tree from another which maybe became too small from the growth of the tribe, maybe damage from storms, elements, maybe a war in the times of great sorrow. in our story, Hometree is far older than the whole of skypeople history.
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10,000 years is still the widely accepted length at which known civilization of groups of humans goes back to, at least in this era of scientific proof and reasoning.
Yeah, that's just the age of the civilisation. I was talking about before. Anyway, I think it has some nice symbol here, that behind a thing or a person there can be a lot more to than you think.
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I still feel at the deep heart of it all we are really in this day and age Trying to address the roots of "Tribalism" with the core aspects of "Imperialism" being one root aspect of this
my own Internal refelctions in the years after I walked out of The Cinema After the Avatar experience with the reflective aspects of its core story pulled at me internally to try and answer some of these questions and ask "how have other cultures tried to address them as well "where are they successful" ? and where did they fail" ? its a continuing internal debate where Avatars reflective source elements offered surprising insight and discovery on many levels , as to the internal aspects contained in our "source code" both good and bad , when I look at internal medicine aspects of many of the Oral tradition story's of non religious native peoples almost all of them reflect upon addressing symbiotic aspects relating to the core importance of "Humanity" and sharing expression of ones powerful empathy voice. Avatar quite a good job of refecting many of these aspects in a way people can "feel" and dives many to try internally answer these deep root questions its places like this where this place of expression makes this possible.. some thoughts on "Tribalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_lOQiDsLyY

After listening to this ,, take a look at what this gentlemen has to say on the roots of Zulu thought on
"Sawubona" We see you/I see you (reflected in Avatar's story as one can expect) what are there people here really trying to address?

https://youtu.be/2IjUkVZRPK8

The roots of the Haudenosaunee's peoples Great law of peace touch on the deep heart of this as well ,, some very unique strutures there ,,

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Now, to be fair, not only religion uses imperialism, everyone does, Imperialism is not only when people fight over territory, but it also includes animals. when wolves fight it's also imperialism, they fight over territory, and humans also do it in everyday life. when two corporations concure each other, that's imperialism, when brother and sister fight over a room, it's imperialism, even if children fight who will have the best part of the sandbox, it's also imperialism. It's everywhere, it's a part of nature, it's a part of this universe, and whatever you do, there's no stopping it.
Imperialism is an 'action' involving a country extending power by the acquisition of territories. It's not about two kids fighting in the sandbox, you seem to be mixing 'imperialism' with any cause/justification for conflict.

NO CLUE about why anyone would try to argue that this film was pro anything negative as it is a Cameron film, and he himself has discussed the themes in it...
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the rda is indeed, using corporate imperialism, in projecting their destructive and murderous influence upon the inhabitants of Pandora.
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