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Old 03-29-2010, 04:14 AM
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Default Some of my thoughts on Avatar

I posted this on, but I want to share my thoughts here as well.

Avatar fanatics and haters both need to take this down a few goddamn notches. This debate isn't simple black and white!

The first thing I have to say is, yes, Avatar is by far my favorite movie, but it is in no way the very best movie ever made. For me, that title belongs to Schindler's List, and I'm sure many people who think objectively will agree with me that Schindler's List is better. There are certain aspects of the film that aren't particularly strong. Specifically, I feel that the dialogue is somewhat lacking. While I think Neytiri's lines were elegantly crafted (probably because she doesn't have many, and the ones that she does have are profound and touching; great job JC!) and Jake's dialogue is quite good for the most part, I feel that most of the humor from the dialogue is derived from awkward situations and inane chatter. Compare that with the witty dialogue of Up. That animated film has much more meaningful and profound lines, not only because of their diction and semantics, but also because of the way they fit into the movie's theme and plot. It's subtle, yet striking.

On the other side, Avatar haters need to shut the hell up about saying that the plot is unoriginal. As Jafloogan said, that is similar to saying that Pocahontas's, The Last Samurai's, and Atlantis's are unoriginal. Sure, they may share similar themes, but that isn't a problem. The creators of these films may have similar thoughts about the environment and some issues on current events. There are many great works of literature that shares the same theme. James Cameron wanted to tell a story that he envisioned, and although he was inspired by works like Dance with the Wolves, it is still his story, with characters that he had envisioned. The plot is perfect for those characters, as it allowed their motivation, conflict, and transformation to share a common setting.

Oh, and the original script for Avatar was created before Pocahontas came out, just FYI for the "Pocahontas in space" abusers. Even if it is unoriginal, the plot is executed very well.

And yes, Avatar did deliver a message to me. No, it's not the flat "corporations are evil" message. For me, it is that there's a whole world out there for us to explore, and that we should start appreciating the still relatively lush environment that we live in and treasure it. The things we do right now can be done in a much better way that doesn't disrupt the environment. You have to realize that the RDA isn't inherently evil; they're just immoral, and they can certainly change. Corporations can bring great benefit to not only humans, but to the environment and anything else on earth for that matter, as long as they operate ethically. As I have said in a previous post, Avatar isn't necessarily a film that criticizes technology; it only serves to demonstrate how technology can be abused and how greed can turn advancement into destruction. I am pro-technology (being an officer of my high school's robotics team). I firmly believe that we can develop technology that work in harmony with the environment and make this world a better place for both humans and wildlife.

The movie's characters motivated me to become a better person by telling me the problems of society that we face. It's up to us to realize what unrestricted corporate practice can result in, and how we can help fix the issue (and no, the answer isn't to bash the sh!t out of corporations and make them flat, evil beings). The message of Avatar will have a profound impact on my life, because I'm only a high school junior right now, and I still have many years ahead of me to improve this world.

To sum it up, even though Avatar may not be the best movie ever made, it delivers a message to me that will change the way I act in the future. It has a place in my heart like no other film. The same goes with the characters. Jake and Neytiri will always remain in my mind.

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Old 03-29-2010, 04:57 AM
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Very well said, AC130. I agree completely

Why is there so much fighting over this movie? Some of us love it (I myself have never been affected this much by a film!) and some of us can't stand it, but can't we all act our ages and not ruin things for each other?
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:49 PM
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Very nice post. You are a very thoughtful young man. I was not that thoughtful when I was your age!

It's hard to pick the Best Film Ever. I think comparing Avatar to Schindler's List is like comparing appels to oranges. But your arguments in support of this are valid. I think that is the thinking the Motion Picture Academy had when they denied Avatar a Best Picture Oscar. Do you think Avatar was the best picture of 2009 - or would you have given that honor to, say, Inglorious Bastards (if you've seen it)?

Movies like Avatar, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan (my personal favorite) are similar in that they deliver a powerful moral message. The way Avatar does it is by getting people in the theater thinking they are going to see a shoot-em up, sic-fi flick, and instead weaved inside this mass appeal, beautiful picture is a moral message. The medicine is easy to swallow (I could not magine seeing Saving Private Ryan six times as I have done with Avatar..too emotionally wrought), so folks can keep coming back for more.

I think Avatar is much more than an animated (as retractors would have you believe) science fiction film..yet perhaps not on the level with Hamlet. Somewhere inbetween.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:08 AM
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I am really not sure if Avatar would have deserved Best Picture. While some of the acting is awesome (Zoe as Neytiri and Stephen Lang as Quaritch; they truly gave those characters, well, character), there are other times where I feel that the acting is a bit lackluster and cheesy (Wainfleet, I'm looking at you). Truly great actors will totally suppress their actual selves and express their characters the way they are meant to be portrayed. Heath Ledger's joker, Ralph Fiennes's Amon Goeth, Zoe's Neytiri, and Lang's Quaritch are great examples of this. As much as I love it, the movie has many flaws that prevent it from occupying the same niche as some of the other great movies. Hopefully, JC will listen to constructive criticism and address these issues in Avatar 2 and Avatar 3, and make them Best Picture films.

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Old 03-30-2010, 10:24 AM
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I do still think it deserved it. Wainfleet is 'cheesy'? He's MEANT to be an idiot, which he played well.

There is nothing at all like Avatar.
Also, you forgot Mo'at as another amazing character, people really don't appreciate that enough I think.
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