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Old 04-25-2010, 03:51 PM
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Global warming

Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

If yes:
Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?
What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?
Do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?

If no:
What makes you think this way?
Do you think global warming might be a treat to Earth in the future?


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What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:13 PM
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GLOBAL WARMING..

Yes I do believe there is global warming.

I do believe that humans have an impact on the worlds temperature but not as much as we have been said to of had. I believe this because the world has had previous massive climate changes before humans became industrialized. But, I can't deny the fact that many of the greenhouse gases put into the atmosphere are doing nothing at all.

I think the largest factor in climate change is the worlds natural heating and cooling cycles caused by ocean currents and earths relativity to the sun.Industrialized countries do also have an impact on the cycle but don't cause it directly.

I think it is possible to eventually stop humanities impact on the climate but not till countries causing the brunt of the effect start taking drastic measures to halt their pollution output or cut it down dramatically.


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The greatest threat to Earth as a whole from a long-term perspective? I would have to say the sun would be. It is what makes life possible now but it will eventually fail the Earth and according to many scientists engulf the Earth. The reason I say this is because Humans have been around for only a minuscule amount of time and have had little effect on the Earth compared to many natural disasters that have come about. Like World fires, ice ages, volcanoes, large floods have all cause incredible damage to the Earth but all of that can be repaired over time. When the sun fails the Earth many millions of years from now, one would say "that is it".

I think that it is, but as I mentioned earlier, it would take a drastic change in the way many countries work. And to get them to do such a thing would require the environment or enough people to show these countries, factories, and companies what they are doing wrong and how they can change for the better.

I am trying to improve my lifestyle to benefit the environment. I have stopped using paper plates, plastic cups and plastic eating utensils. I do not purchase a new vehicle very frequently because that causes more plastics and dangerous materials to be brought into the world which will eventually be put in landfills and other waste centers. I have started turning my computer off of a night and not running our homes Air conditioning hardly at all yet this year. These are small steps to what can be done but you have to walk before you can run.

I hope this is good enough for your project. How many people do you need to answer these questions by the way?
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:15 PM
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Global warming

Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

If yes:
Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?


I do think [I know I’ll get flamed if I say ‘know’] that humans have some contribution to global warming, however it’s not half as large as the media are making it… The global warming threat is like the Swine Flu one. Scares the pants off you but that’s about as far as it goes. If the government really cared about global warming, or saw it as a threat, then they would be doing a lot more than they are now. [They know things that we don’t] Whilst it’s *scientifically proven* that –global warming- happens every ‘so many years’. It’s also *scientifically proven* that we are speeding it up quite badly. Although what the media means by ‘global warming’ and I mean by ‘global warming’ are two totally different things. We are just making the path of the bowling ball smoother so it can speed up, so to speak. Which really isn’t good, but as long as most humans couldn’t care less, then we’ve not got much chance to stop it.

What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?

I don’t know, I don’t have enough trusted sources in order to make a judgement.

Do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?

Anything is possible with the right level of devotion. We just need the human race to care about our planet. As far as I’m concerned it’s going to be the only one we’ve got for quite a while, unless we begin Terraforming other planets in the near-future. [And even then, we should ensure that Earth doesn’t get damaged]

To go back to the analogy of the bowling ball, we just need to stop smoothing the pathway before it hits the pins… We can curve the track, put pitfalls, place diversions, but at this rate, if something isn’t changed, then we’re just digging our own grave.

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What makes you think this way?
Do you think global warming might be a tread to Earth in the future?



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What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?


Greed.

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

Yes. Anything is possible.

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?

I’m sixteen years of human age, there’s not a lot I can do. I’m rendered useless because of my age until I leave to College. As soon as I’m in College I’ll start doing community service, and going on nature-litter-picks. I’ll do anything in my power to help the human race realise how beautiful nature is… My main hope is that in the work that I do for the environment, I’ll inspire at least 1-2 people to a certain extent.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:22 PM
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Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

I do believe global warming is a threat to the inhabitants of earth. However, I do not believe it is a completely man-made threat.

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I do also believe we are doing very little to help the matter and obviously, any artificial CO2 production or deforestation on top of the natural causes is simply adding to the issue, which is why I personally try my best to help the reduction cause. On the other hand I also believe the natural world has a far greater effect on the planet's environmental system than we ever could and to think we could change such a monumental system so drastically and in such a small period of time is somewhat rediculous.

I believe it would be very difficult to stop global warming today, as esentially, the entire economy is built on the trade of natural resources and the consumption of said resources which in turn leads to environmental harm. In order to stop all man-made CO2 release, there would have to be a total global economic overhaul. However just because something is difficult, doesn't mean to say it's impossible.

What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?

From a long-term perspective, I would say that the greatest threat to the planet was actually some kind of meteor strike. I believe that no matter what humankind does to the planet, it will always 'fight back' so to speak and it will recover. This however is not an excuse to harm it in the first place and this recovery could take hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of years depending on the severity.

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

I think that it will be incredibly difficult to reduce pollution to the point where it is no longer an issue and i'm not even sure it's possible. Where there is always economic and technological competition, there will be production and in turn varying levels of emissions. Something that will consistantly cause international tension. But again, difficult does not necessarily equate to impossible.

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?


I personally am trying my best to put in an individual effort to reduce emissions by doing simple things like turning things off at the plug, recycling more, using public transport etc. Additionally, I will be volunteering abroad soon, a lot of the work while i'm over there will be working to preserve and 'heal' the environment.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:30 PM
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Global warming

Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

If yes:
Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?
What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?
Do you think it is possible to stop or halt global warming today?
Global warming is not so much the problem as climate change. It is a serious threat to Earth, contrary to what conspiracy theorists think. The sheer magnitude of the danger makes it hard for some people to understand, they cannot believe that our everlasting Earth could ever be subject to danger from our hands.
There are a number of causes of climate change, some humanity and some not. Humanity has contributed in a major way. The rise of industrialism in the 19th Century began the industrial revolution which saw the spewing out of millions of tonnes of what we call 'green houses gases', carbon dioxide, sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides etc. This, in my mind, was the first step towards the damaging of the ozone layer. As time passed and technology advanced, new compounds were formed, leaded petrol, halogenoalkanes, all of these also contribute to damaging the ozone layer. One halogenoalkane, tetrachloromethane I think, reacts directly with ozone, O3, breaking up the ozone layer. This is Man's contribution to global climate change.
There is also the sociological side of it. With the increase in population between the 19th Century and the 21st Century, there is more production of these gases as consumption increases. More livestock is bred to feed the growing population which produces more methane. More products are made to satisfy the growing demand and the list goes on.

On the Natural side of things, the Earth behaves in cycles. Ice ages arrive around every ten thousand years if I recall correctly. And we are due soon
The magnetic orientation of the poles shifts every now and then which turns the cycle. So you could say that climate change is inevitable.

Without having much data from earlier ice ages etc. we cannot be sure that we haven't caused it or if it is caused by natural phenomena.
We cannot be sure, either, if there is a way to stop it if it is a natural process that occurs systematically eveery ten thousand years or so. I was inclined to think, before I knew of the regular nature of ice ages, that we could prevent global climate chagne by stopping our use of fossil fuels. But I have a new opinion now, which is a bit of a stretch
Could our use of fossil fuels heat up the planet subvert Nature's scheduled ice age?
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Global warming

Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

If yes:
Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?

I do believe we're part of the problem, denying this would imply we've got no impact on our environment and even the most stubborn anti-ecologist will admit this is false. However, when it comes to determine how much we're causing this effect, I can't say anything without having some distrust to the data I am given from the media. But I can assure you is that this problem is exactly difficult to determine because the source is far away from us. None of us live next to a dump, for example, or can see the Great Pacific Plastic Patch; so I can't actually say how much distorted the information about the environment may come.

But I'd say, that more than being responsible of global warming, we're amplifiers of the effect. Global warming and glaciation periods are something common but what we're doing now is accelerate these natural processes.


What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?

The expulsion of certain gases to the atmosphere and dumping toxic substances, as proven in micro-ecosystems that have changed their flora, fauna, temperature and rainfall because of the proximity of a near industrial installation.

Do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?

I think that stopping is impossible, unless we completely halt our industrial activity; what we're doing now is trying to put a patch on the problem to slow down this process. Instead of wiping ourselves off Earth's surface in a century, we might reach that point later if we keep reducing our emissions. But we won't stop it at all.


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What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?

Ourselves. And I am not referring in the ecological aspect, I think a nuclear war would eliminate any sign of life from this planet. We can do it, thus we're a menace to our surroundings.

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

No. Unless we do the almost impossible task of regressing back to a pre-industrial stage and reducing our population to less than a billion people so we could reduce the excessive demand we make on our planet.

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?

Nope.
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Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

Yes:
I believe in climate change, because "global warming" has been disproven. I think it is buy and large caused by humans, but it is also in sync with the natural fluctuations of the earth. Clearly the amount of carbon emissons and plastics and natural gasses that we are comsuming are negatively impacting the world and these repercussions are bound to be evident in the changing climate. The largest role i would attrible climate change to is pollution; case and point compound waste. Plastics, chemicals... everything man made (more or less). I don't think it is possible to stop climate change as it is part of the earths natural fluxuations, but i do believe it is possible to slow down the rapid changes. If the people on the earth play their part in keeping the earth clean and healthy, i believe things will certainly improve.


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The single greatest threat is humans. The mindless consumption of land for commercial use, the mass conglomeration and expansion of big businesses without equal chance for local produce and sustainability. As more land is being "sucked dry" wildlife and nature is slowly being downed out, that leaves more carbon to filter and less oxygen leaving more pollutants in the air. This is, in my opinion, what will lead to bigger and more problematic issues in the future.

I think that it is POSSIBLE to stop pollution and environmental destruction, though i dont think it is likely whatsoever. This kind of thing would require not only a paradigm shift in the mental of people everywhere, but all of the dominating organizations would have to look beyond the 6 or 7 figures they earn a year and do something substancial for the greater good. With the materialized society we live in, this is likely not to happen.
Also with the globalized economy, and the progression of technology there will always be a pollution source and thus environmental destruction. Unless we were to suddenly live as aggriculturalists accross the globe, as much as this is a possibility, it is not a probability in the slightest.

I personally do as much as possible to help reach the goal of steadying climate change and reduce pollution. I recycle, i'm very mindful of both water and electric consumption. I try to consume locally whereever possible, and i no longer attribute to the physical consumption of meat products (I Dont purchase any meat products). I do simple things like avoid the use of dryer sheets, plastic sandwich bags, individually wrapped items. I also encourage those around me to do the same
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global warming

do you believe that global warming is a threat to earth and its inhabitants?

I believe in global climate change. And yes I do think it presents a risk to humanity/earth.

if yes:
do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?

I think a percentage is caused by humans, but the vast majority of climate change is due to natural fluctuations. Or events outside our control (volcanic activity, ect)

what do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?

as far as human activities go, I would say deforestation.

do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?

No, I don't think we could completely stop it. We (society) have grown to love electricity, cars, climate controlled dwellings, roads, and agriculture. As "green" as the technology used to accomplish these things may become, in order to have it we will have a negative impact on the earths climate. But the good thing is we can have those things with less of an impact in this day and age. With the use of green building techniques, renewable resources, ect.

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what makes you think this way?
Do you think global warming might be a treat to earth in the future?


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what would you say be the greatest threat to earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?

Overpopulation is the greatest long term human threat IMO. More people = more resources needed, more resources needed = more damage done.

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

Is it possible? yes I believe so. Will it ever happen? not likely

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?

Yes, I'm becoming more conscious of trying not to waste. An example would be consolidating car trips by planing a days activities so I can go to all the places I need to go in one trip. I also ask friends/family if they would like me to get them anything while I'm out which saves them from making a trip. Less fuel burned = less emissions that harm the atmosphere. I also do other things such as recycling, choosing more efficient electronic devices, and not wasting water or electricity.
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What is the greatest threat to the planet? People, let me refer you to one of my associates, agent Smith.

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure."

YouTube - agent smith : humans are a virus
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Oh the irony. I had written a 2000 word blog on this a few weeks back. Fits into the question perfectly. But I'll break it down a bit so it is more relevant.

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Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?

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Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?
What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?
Do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?
Humanity has existed for over 100,000 years. We have conquered every corner of the globe, clearly marking ourselves as the most dominant species on the planet. But can we continue our expansion? Historically weíve seen how disease can decimate our global population, peaking in the mid 1300′s, the black death took the lives of 100 million people. So could a similar event occur? Perhaps something more conclusive? I say yes.


Ok, Iíll start with global warming. Global warming is a point of debate among the international community, some argue that global warming has no ties to humanity, some say that it isnít happening. Well, I say that it is happening and is undeniably the result of human influence on the planet. What global warming revolves around is CO2, or carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is the consequence of operating modern machinery. When hydrocarbons such as petroleum are burnt within a car engine, carbon dioxide is emitted. So what, itís just some gas. Itís not just some gas. Carbon dioxide traps heat, this is a good thing, as without it we would be living with a mile of ice over our heads. The problem is that weíre polluting the atmosphere with unnecessary amounts. This leads to temperature rise and whats now known as ďThe greenhouse effectĒ. Ok, the temperature is going to go up by one or two degrees celsius. Gives me a good chance to get down to the beach. In the short-term, yes. But the serious implications of climate change paint a dull future. Lets look at the antarctic and arctic. The large areas of fresh water ice are melting at an exponential rate as the years go on. This could lead to sea level rise, but thatís not even what Iím concerned about, a twenty-foot rise in sea level will be destructive, but it wonít destroy humanity. What has got me worried is that fresh water canít descend underwater like sea water can. This will stop the ocean conveyor, the main sources of heat transportation around the planet. This will cause extreme Ďworldwideí freezing. Iím sure we can all ponder the consequences of such coming to fruition.

So it can be seen that there are TITANIC issues facing humanity today, but they are solvable. Through our ignorance and complacency we have spawned these problems, it is right and proper that we are the ones to deal with them. To ignore them at this late stage would be suicide. Iím confidant we can get there in the end, but when these problems come to fruition we will have to combat them with careless abandon if we are to survive on this planet. Global warming in particular, it is a solvable problem, but it will require the greatest effort humanity has ever concieved.


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Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?
My next point is from a biological perspective. All species have a carrying capacity. What this means is a population is limited by the resources that its habitat can provide. This naturally keeps the population of species from ballooning out of control. Humans have also had to abide by these restrictions, but recently, advancements in technology have allowed us to circumvent this system and expand unchecked. But inevitably our population will need to be capped off, as our habitat wonít be able to support our already massive population. Iíll give you a great example of overpopulation. Just look at developing nations. They have massive populations that are ballooning out of control. To be honest , the western world is at fault here. The aid that developing nations receive just created a dependency. Aid is the problem, as it provides them with a means to reproduce further, this does nothing but inflame the problem, causing it to balloon out of control.

Iím sure you can see by now why Iíve got this here. The human race will not be able to operate itself. I wouldnít put this up as a major threat, it will take a little longer to come to fruition than my other argument points. There is still a lot of good genetic material out there. Itís just a waiting game.
I am about to elaborate on perhaps the biggest threat humanity will face, but perhaps the most easily solved. Biosphere degradation. Otherwise know as the zone of life. I would tout this as being beyond the point of no return, much like global warming. It started when humans spread globally around the earth, as we did so, trade picked up between different continents. This introduced exotic species to different continents and islands around the globe, significantly interrupting the natural habitat of the invaded animals. Physical barriers stood preventing one species from invading the habitats of others, presently these are not so, as humans have overcome these and allowed species from all over the globe to interact. This interaction causes issues to pop up. A species that was once kept in check by predators was now allowed to roam free without restrictions in its new environment. While itís there it can predate any native species that have no defence to it as its numbers skyrocket, severely straining environmental resources.

My point is, this problem is so widespread that the eco-system is barely coping, and all weíre doing as adding injury to insult by moving more species. There is a second side and perhaps a more important but simpler side to this story. That is the destruction of species. As human influence has spread over the earth introducing new factors to nearly all areas of the planet countless species have died off. Iíll give you the example of palm kernel deforestation, in Indonesia 90% of native orangutan forest have been cleared so that palm kernel trees can be planted, palm kernel is used in the production of chocolate, but its been responsible for the near extinction of the orangutans. This is simply a side effect of human industry.

So the question remains. When will all this happen? I predict that the penultimate consequences of all this will hit us from the years 2050-2100. Why then? Well, I just turned to logic. Think about it for a while. Iím confident humanity will be able to overcome all of these problems. However, in a capitalist democracy I truly donít believe the world will be able to respond in time. If it isnít profitable to fight these issues then capitalism wonít combat them. And that is what worries me. Big business and corporations revolve around greed, Iím sure all of them do. What I can envisage in the coming storm wonít be good for capitalism. Its going to be highly unprofitable to shield ourselves from this storm. I fear the world has become so complacent under capitalism that it will just deny that any danger exists until it is too late. A potent mix of complacent suicide?

Here is another excerpt that details another threat to humanity:

The next issue is quite simply, bad genes. For thousands of years poor genes were naturally removed from the gene pool a number of different ways. Iím not prepared to go into that now, but do ask me if itís tickling your thoughts. What I will say is that modern society has destroyed all these natural countermeasures. I put it down to political correctness. We will soon end up with a majority of poor genes to good ones. I shouldnít even have to mention the implications this could have for the global community. Why is there an influx of poor genes? Itís not so much an influx of poor genes, rather the superior genes are not being spread around enough. I would put this down to lifestyle choices, in a capitalist society having 5-10 kids just isnít sustainable any longer. The Ďsmartí people realise this so they produce fewer offspring as they take note of the consequences having many kids could bring. The Ďdumbí people donít take note of the consequences and produce many offspring regardless, plus they get state assistance for doing so! As you can imagine this presents a major problem for society, we canít keep letting this slip.

It can be seen that there are a number of long term issues that humanity faces, besides global warming, we face many other endangering factors. Environmental degredation is a bad thing, but we can overcome this with technology. The collapse of the gene pool is a more dangerous, yet subtle issue. That is why I believe it is more dangerous. Something needs to be done now.

Yeah, I'm going to have heaps of kids so there are better quality genes in the gene pool. (humour, but true)
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Global warming
Do you believe that global warming is a threat to Earth and its inhabitants?
No.
I believe that while temperatures do change, this is a apart of the natural ice age cycle and is not affected by human activity.
Although some interpretations of data have equated this with a rise in levels of carbon dioxide, the rise is negligible and many of these interpretations of data have been found to be flawed, or to discard data that does not fit with their beliefs. I think that 'global warming' only serves to distract attention from environmental issues of real importance that deserve attention.


Do you think global warming might be a treat to Earth in the future?
Possibly, but only if a huge, artificial change was caused - the scale would mean it would almost certainly be deliberate. Alternatively, a significant increase in the sun's temerature could cause problems.


General environment issues

What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?
Religion and war.

Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?
Possibly, but it ill take a huge effort to accomplish it.

Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?
Yes. Mostly the small things, but if everyone did, it would make a difference. I recycle everything, I try to save anything I can, I try not to waste things unnecessarily.
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Of course I will help you Eltu


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It can be but I also believe that the earth has gone through other very warm periods before and was able to adapt.

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Do you believe it is caused by us humans (even partly)? Why? Why not?
What do you think plays the largest role in making global warming occur?
Do you think it is possible to stop or halter global warming today?
I don't believe that humans are the main cause since there is so much that we don't know about our climate and I also believe that the sun has a big role to play in the climate of earth. Also, there have been other warming periods (the Medieval Warm Period, the Roman one, etc) and in those periods the earth actually saw increased productivity, etc.

I think that the sun has the largest role in climate change. I just don't think we have enough data. We seem to go in these cycles of being concerned that the earth is warming or cooling, etc.

I honestly don't think there is much that we can do to alter it.


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What makes you think this way?
Do you think global warming might be a treat to Earth in the future?
I think this way because I don't think that the issue is settled. Scientific theories are constantly changing and it was only about 40 years ago that the media in particular were publishing tons of stories, etc claiming that we are headed for another ice age. If you look in the early 20th century, there was talk about the earth warming again. So, it seems to go in cycles.

Global warming or climate change could be a threat if we allow it to be. I think there needs to be planning for any possible changes.

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What would you say be the greatest threat to Earth as a whole, from a long-term perspective?
I think that deforestation, increased acidification of the oceans, and depleted resources are the greatest threat to the earth as a whole.

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Do you think that it is possible to stop pollution and environmental destruction to the point where it will no longer be a global issue?
There is a slim possibility but it will probably be up to individuals rather than governments and other large groups of people. Sadly, I think it will always be a global issue of some sort.

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Are you doing anything yourself to reach this goal?
I'm doing what I can like recycling and reusing stuff. I try to buy more environmentally friendly cleaners now, etc. I know there is more that I can do .
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