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Old 05-03-2010, 06:46 PM
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"Sigh", So Kat had some company come visit over the last week, and well I must admit I was less than happy with all the disruption they caused, its like they were just taking over my happy space and I was soooooo glad when they were gone. I'm just venting it out here cause well I just need a listening ear, and betting most here have had a similar experience. I mean they are good friends and I don't want to hang on to it, cause I really do care about them and such. Of course my parents would probably say the same about me when I go to visit them. Lol.

So then i found this quote, I love reading Rumi, whom doesn't! And well it made me think and put stuff in perspective.

The Guest House


This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
As an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.
From Essential Rumiby Coleman Barks


Ahh ..so true, so true, so true, I realized I was only seeing the negative and then thought about all the laughter and delight and fun, ahh what's a few dishes to clean up, after all. My mom would laugh and say oh Kat you might be finally growing up after all!

Here's a link to some more of Rumi Poetry, four pages, just thought I'd share.

http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Rumipoetry1.html
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Ahhhh and for more on LOVE .. see post #4 ..


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Old 05-04-2010, 07:28 AM
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Oceans Deep, i think, *sigh* so big we get lost in it, no wonder musicians, artists, writers and poets try and help us swim in it, lest we sink!

And Kat's heart goes out to you Human no More, hoping something will come along to help lift your spirit. *Hugs*



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Ok everyone is probably going to find this post long winded, but Kat’s betting if you read all of it, you’ll see why I didn’t want to shorten it anymore than I did. J

“The Spiritual Practices of Rumi – Radical Techniques for Beholding the Divine” by Will Johnson, asked an important question that went straight to my heart!


Where is the doorway that leads from separation to union to be found? And its answer is intriguing, potently reflecting Avatar’s “I See You”. The answer – “on of the ports of entry is through the narrow clefts of your beloved’s eyes, for as you gaze at your great friend, as you pour yourself through that opening, something begins to happen to you both, and you no longer experience yourselves as separate from each other. The key turns in the lock, and a door springs open to reveal a world of experience that both looks and feels radically different from the familiar world on the other side. You actually feel that the core out of which both your individual bodies emerge is one and the same place. When two beings are able to meet in this way, soul-to-soul, their sense of separate self simply dissolves and is replaced by a penetrating and shared awareness of this fundamental unity as the real.”

And I had to gasp and ask myself, have I ever experienced that? And know that I long too, and its exactly what we are all talking about, seeking here on this forum and in our everyday lives.

Johnson makes it clear that the teachings of Rumi are not just about this experience with as we put it a life-mate, but to experience it with any one and particularly dear close friends. “For Rumi, true friendship sets into motion the alchemical transformation that occurs when two people are willing to open so deeply to each other that any awareness of separation between them in burned away like the driest kindling in a divine fire. Anything less than this alchemical transformation from separation into union in not real friendship.”

See I read all this mysticsm stuff and thought it was only talking about something that mystics, saints, monks, or the truly spiritually enlightened ones ever experience. Then Johnson goes on to say “the path of the ascetic has always been crafted through the denials and renunciations, and a tragic consequence of this stance has been a denigration of the lived experience and impulses of the human body and, by extension, the whole realm of the visible world. The body, with its joys and its sorrows, with its lusts and aversions toward other objects and bodies, can be viewed by ascetics as the obstacle that bars their passage from this world to the next, and so they forego intimate contact with others.”

“The only problem with this way of seeing … each one as a separate universe unto itself, existing through an uneasy truce .. then we become afraid and start to feel very lonely. We cut ourselves off from the rich and cohesive waters of which we are such an intimate part and become, instead, hardened and dry, a once fertile valley on which a drought has descended. From such a harsh and cold wilderness, all we can do is cry out fro the source of comfort and wholeness that we may only dimly remember and feel.”

“The notion that the doorway to union is somehow far away from where we sit or stand right now is a false fantasy.”
“Rumi and Shams, however, tell us that there is a different way, a whole different approach to the world of union, one that doesn’t force us to turn away in fear and loathing from the feeling body and visible world … this world in which we live does not need to be transcended for the experiential realm of union to appear. It needs, instead, to be fully entered into with no holding back… When we look out upon the world in which we live through the eyes of the soul, however, a whole different vista springs suddenly into view. The soul is one, and so what the eyes of the soul see is the common ground of being that binds everything into one piece and process. The primary purpose of spiritual practices, according to A course in Miracles, is “to heal the separation,” to help us recover from the nightmare of fear, alienations, and loneliness that separation breeds.”

“When we sit with our great friend, pouring our gaze into the eyes of the beloved other and receiving his or her gaze in return, the world of separation disappears before our eyes, and together we merge back into a shared experience of union. We become one with our friend, and the nightmare of fear is replaced by the gentle dream – no the reality – of love.”

“This mysterious doorway was here all the time, literally right in front of our eyes and under our noses! We’d just been looking all this time in the wrong direction, ‘looking for love,’ as the country song tell us, ‘in all the wrong places.’ When we open to the feeling dimensions of our heart and to the love that draws us into communion with that which we gaze upon and interact with, then, and only then, do the eyes of our soul become activated.”

“Rumi exhorts us .. Do we want to follow the way of the mind down through its endless maze of analysis and dissection, or do we want to enter into the way of the heart? To view the worlds of separation and union simultaneously, to resolve their apparent conflict, and to go beyond the limits inherent in each one is available only to lovers: Lovers live fully in this world, they need not run away from it. Through pouring their love (what else can they do?) into the soul and body of their beloved, they pass through the veil that ordinarily keeps the two worlds separate. Thus, they partake of the richness of both.”

“It feels important at this point to clarify the nature of love that Rumi is referring to here. Ordinarily, when we think of lovers, we think of two people who are so drawn to each other that they entwine their bodies together in the sacred act of making physical love. This urgency to come together .. is as deep and beautiful an impulse as exists in our bodies. However, when we fall into love through encountering the gaze of a great friend, something entirely different may begin to occur .. the soul copulates with soul, and through the divine intercourse that transpires, the two lovers impregnate each other and give birth, not to a child, but to the great ground of being itself.”

“To make the love of souls that Rumi is telling us about, we need to give up our mind, our belief in our existence as separate beings, and join our souls. The act of gazing can become breathtakingly intimate as, together, we venture back to the one soul, our common ground of being that, once it appears, truly shatters our ability to pretend any longer that our sense of separate self describes the whole of what we are. “

“Become a lover. This is Rumi’s message to us. Meet another at the very depths of your being. Let your soul penetrate your lover’s soul. Bodies alone cannot bring the soul back to itself. Never shy away from the pull of love. Rumi, and all the Sufis, are so clear about this. Always risk love when you feel it calling you, strumming the tissues of your being like a musician caressing the strings of a lute. God wants you to love, … and only by becoming a lover do you stand the best chance of remembering this most shattering of truths. Yes the path of love is strewn with unforeseen challenges and heartaches and soul mines, but even these are part of the path as well. They have their place and they have their purposes. If we avoid love’s thorns, we never ever smell the fragrances of its flowers. If we avoid love’s pains, we never ever taste its privileged pleasures. So never run from love. To run from love is to run from yourself, and that is a race you can never win.”

“Find your friend, take up the practice together, and begin your journey back to the home in which you so long to return. Whatever you do, trust love, even if it turns your life upside down:

“The practice of gazing at the beloved is like a prayer to heaven, a call to love, and its cries are always answered. Gazing at your friend summons the great ground of being to make its presence felt, and it begins to tug at you, asking you to come back home to your soul’s birthplace.”


I guess in a way I feel a little bit of this with my closest friends, but Kat thinks she needs to open herself up to love again!




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Oh I was delighted to have found some music videos that use Rumi Poetry. As regards the question of Love, whether we speak of our Love for the Divine Beloved or a Beloved Friend, Rumi's poetry resonates so deeply because He speaks to both. I hope that others might enjoy these as well!

YouTube - Deepak Choopra, A Gift Of Love - The Love Poems Of Rumi

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Very, very interesting indeed. I can't believe it took m this long to find this thread...

I have just finished reading it and i'm not entirely sure what to say, it's so very deep and meaningful, the mind needs time to process it. I will think about this a lot more, maybe read the posts again and then I will try to come back with an answer.
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Very, very interesting indeed. I can't believe it took m this long to find this thread...

I have just finished reading it and i'm not entirely sure what to say, it's so very deep and meaningful, the mind needs time to process it. I will think about this a lot more, maybe read the posts again and then I will try to come back with an answer.

I can hear what you saying, Rumi's poetry is so vast that it perplexes my mind in even my most meager attempts to process it. And of course this is only one writer's interpretation of what it all means, embracing just one aspect of the whole of it. It is quite illuminating though, a drop from an unfathomable ocean, as another quote sums it up well.

O CHILDREN OF THE DIVINE AND INVISIBLE ESSENCE!
Ye shall be hindered from loving Me and souls shall be perturbed as they make mention of Me. For minds cannot grasp Me nor hearts contain Me.

(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)
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