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Old 10-03-2010, 04:10 PM
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The question is just what are they doing in various parts of the world in the first place? Military troops are to defend their own country, not running around in foreign countries killing people.
And unfortunately many of the young men that are doing all these operations abroad do not understand why they do it and what is the real motifs for the politicians to send them there.

They are preventers. They prevent bad people from doing bad things. Drug tafficing, kidnapping, murder, etc...
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Old 10-05-2010, 04:13 AM
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They are preventers. They prevent bad people from doing bad things. Drug tafficing, kidnapping, murder, etc...
Perhaps it would be better if US troops would stay at home and try to prevent all those things happening in their own country. The US has a totally grotesque amount of crime and bad people doing bad things.

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Old 10-05-2010, 07:33 AM
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Perhaps it would be better if US troops would stay at home and try to prevent all those things happening in their own country. The US has a totally grotesque amount of crime and bad people doing bad things.
We don't let the armed forces do law enforcement. In 1878 after the civil war we passed the Posse Comitatus Act. It severely limits the use of the military for internal law enforcement. The details are at Wikipedia as always if you want to know the details.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:44 PM
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Perhaps it would be better if US troops would stay at home and try to prevent all those things happening in their own country. The US has a totally grotesque amount of crime and bad people doing bad things.
Yet it is still the best country in the world.
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:03 AM
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Well after receiving the test grades I just got maybe I will join up sooner than I thought. The only thing that makes me want to stay in college is that I could be an officer and that I could fly!
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:02 AM
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Yet it is still the best country in the world.
Correction: most powerful country in the world.
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:52 AM
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Correction: most powerful country in the world.
Are you suggesting theres a better country? That couldnt defeat it?
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Old 10-06-2010, 03:08 AM
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Are you suggesting theres a better country? That couldnt defeat it?
No. But you can't pull a title out of a hat.
It's the best country in military and economics currently, I'll give you that.
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Old 10-06-2010, 04:58 AM
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No. But you can't pull a title out of a hat.
It's the best country in military and economics currently, I'll give you that.
Whos better? What country has ever been considered better than the U.S. (besides russia for that short period)
btw, military might is most important next to economy.
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:20 AM
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Whos better? What country has ever been considered better than the U.S.
You seem to have an awfully biased opinion.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:52 AM
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Thats what the big military does. Delta operators arent used for taking oil. More counter terrorism and counter intelligence ops in various pars of the world.

As long is there is men there will be war. You just have to get over that fact.
That's not what he's talking about.

The other reason why I would never join the military is because I dislike being the pawn.

If you really think that the military is just one big super-awesome kickass group of great people doing great things, you are sorely mistaken.

Humans have been using soldiers to protect their own Machiavellian interests for thousands of years, just like little pieces on a game board. The U.S. might be pretty good as far as countries go, but what makes you think that the government doesn't use the military for their own interests?

It is quite obvious that the U.S. moved into the middle east with their operations at least partially to protect oil interests. The Ottoman empire, the Roman empire and the Crusades were all doing the same things; powerful leaders enticing young men to join their ranks as soldiers to "fight the good fight" or to "defeat the bad guys". In all those cases, the soldiers were merely pawns to higher powers waging wars over valuable resources and differing beliefs.

I don't disagree that war or the presence of a military of some sort is necessary at times, but to think that any nation is always "fighting the good fight" is foolhardy and náve.

You have no real evidence or proof of these "increased counter-terrorism" operations, only the word of the ones supposedly performing them and the occasional leaked document.

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No. But you can't pull a title out of a hat.
It's the best country in military and economics currently, I'll give you that.
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Whos better? What country has ever been considered better than the U.S.
Uh, maybe other people from other countries like their own country a lot too.

You have a lot to learn. This is an international message board, and your opinions are disgustingly biased. Just an example; Israel is a tiny, dry nation constantly involved with fighting wars. Did you know that most of the recent advances in weapons and war machine technology have been occuring there?

Also, the U.S. has done some pretty awful things in the past. The Japanese concentration camps of World War II? They displaced hundreds of Japanese americans uninvolved with the Japanese militia; perfectly good, honest, brilliant people that could have contributed amazing things to us, packed into concentration camps for no real reason other than that they just happened to come from the wrong place at the wrong time.

But here, read for yourself; this one lived only a few miles away from me:

http://pacificu.edu/magazine_archive...fall/yukie.cfm

And let's not forget good 'ol Agent Orange, responsible for the irreversible loss of thousands of acres of virgin rainforest and the death, dehabilitation, and mutation of hundreds of American troops and Vietnamese civilians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

And if you google "Korean War Nuke" you'll find more than enough info about how the U.S. almost made the decision to nuke Korea/China.

I hope you enjoy being a pawn; that's all most of the higher-ups in the military will ever truly think of you as.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:17 AM
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Exactly.

People in the military aren't people to those who give the orders, they're resources. They're used in securing more resources.
The people who just happen to be on the other side aren't considered people either. They have friends, family, maybe even children... they have hopes, fears, dreams. they may not care about the war in a political manner at all, they just joined thinking they'd never have to fight, or to defend their country from invasion. For every person there, there are people scared they will never come home again.
All over pointless ideologies or resources which should be obsolete by now...

Past that, the military is a form of mind control.
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Old 10-06-2010, 03:12 PM
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Yet it is still the best country in the world.
So, you have travelled around the whole world so you can compare?

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We don't let the armed forces do law enforcement. In 1878 after the civil war we passed the Posse Comitatus Act. It severely limits the use of the military for internal law enforcement. The details are at Wikipedia as always if you want to know the details.
What US could do is to cut down on the expences of military forces, wars and similar and use those resources to get a grip on their own social problems.
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Old 10-06-2010, 09:52 PM
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Besides bieng a citizen Im not even American. Ive always been told that america is the best country in the world. Even if it has done bad things in the 'past'. There was already a discussion about this and this thread is about srving in the armed forces. Debate somewhere else. The U.S. is stil the greatest military might therefore its the best. right?
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Old 10-06-2010, 09:56 PM
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Military Might =/= a good country.

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