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Old 12-05-2010, 09:48 PM
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I was thinking, just before I jumped into bed last night, after a good night skate of course that there has to be a connection. A connection between the users at ToS, I mean, why us? why were we the ones who were so deeply affected by Avatar, go back to your first viewing of Avatar, what was it like before and then after, for me it was questions, like a switch had been flipped inside, why were we affected and the masses weren't?? is there something more common between us than the love of an epic, life changing movie?

(I will be editing this post as i sit and think about it more)

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Old 12-05-2010, 09:52 PM
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That is a neat idea to think about. Most of those here are in their teens and twenties and a few older people as well. Maybe it was just a state of mind we were in when we saw the movie? I thought about this as well why a select few were influenced this deeply by Avatar and many others weren't.

Many theories out there about it probably.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:28 PM
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I have thought about this a lot, particularly last January when I was newly entranced with what the movie was doing to people. I couldn't think of a common thing that united everyone, and I'm not sure if I've even thought of something now. (I read somewhere a while ago on one of the Avatar message boards that we are all "dreamers," and that seemed like a good explanation.) It's a hard thing to pin down, especially when we've all been affected in different ways. Sometimes I even want to say that it was random chance that made us so affected by Avatar.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:43 PM
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Heh........

It's a nice thought, but I was the way I am even before the movie.

I tend to get along with animals/non-humans better than with other humans.

I'm extremely bitter about certain corporate factions and the spread of urban development, and to a great extent, humanity in general.

I spend a lot of time alone in forests (and other natural places), trying to "see".

When the opportunity arises, I volunteer for causes relating to these interests.

I'd like to think it was more than a movie, but when the credits roll, I'm always let down......
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:18 PM
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I think Sempu put it best.

Our connection with Avatar

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What I'm about to say is going to sound wacky to most people... except for us.

I was thinking about the perfect choices in the movie, and some of the ways it improved on the written script, but also the sheer perfection of the whole movie. I know that Cameron made another movie that long that was great, but it didn't spark new movements or change people's lives like Avatar. So what happened here?

It seems to me that the process of making the movie itself resulted in the changes that elevated it to where it is. The script is good, but it makes conventional choices; whereas the movie went beyond those into a new realm of perfection. And it occurred to me that this was really more than could be attributed to one man, or even your usual film ensemble. Avatar really has the feel of something that was touched by spirit.

Most of us have had those times when we felt the presence of something greater than ourselves. When you're lost in the flow of creating a work of art. Sometimes I have it with writing. Whatever we're accessing, it has vast energy and wisdom. It strikes me that Avatar was created with the influence of that universal spirit, something bigger than Cameron, bigger even perhaps than the sum of all the people working on it.

If there is such a thing as a connection between all living things, an invisible link between us at the subconscious level, then perhaps those of us who are drawn to Avatar were in some way co-creators, that we are connected with the universal spirit that the makers of this movie were awake and aware enough to open up to. Not to detract from the contribution of Cameron and the movie makers in any way; I simply suggest that they were present enough with their own connection to the universe that they tapped into the same power that has come alive in us, and we are also a part of this movie.

Something about this wacky idea just feels right.
Yeah, that sounds right indeed.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:19 PM
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I read somewhere a while ago on one of the Avatar message boards that we are all "dreamers"
Where'd you hear that?

I do believe there is a common ground between all of us, such that we are dreamers. But that's not to say we are alone in this world. To quote a great:

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Old 12-05-2010, 11:33 PM
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I think Sempu put it best.

Our connection with Avatar



Yeah, that sounds right indeed.
I like that idea aswell, but is it chemical or spirtual?
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I like that idea aswell, but is it chemical or spirtual?
Maybe a 'lil of both.
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I think about this fairly often, and the only reason I can think of is that it is many reasons.

For me, I've always loved scifi. I've always HOPED things could change in the future.
I've always been at least somewhat misanthropic.
I've always felt something was missing, I just didn't know what.
I've always felt at least some connection to the world, I just never really used to act on it.
I've always escaped with fiction, found worlds so much better than this one I've been in, and at times, honestly wished that they were the world.
I've always been a xenophile , but Neytiri simply far outshines any other character I've seen
I wasn't looking for a message, or for anything really deep and meaningful, but I found them.
I never expected to cry over a film, but I have, so much.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:49 AM
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I think about this fairly often, and the only reason I can think of is that it is many reasons.

For me, I've always loved scifi. I've always HOPED things could change in the future.
I've always been at least somewhat misanthropic.
I've always felt something was missing, I just didn't know what.
I've always felt at least some connection to the world, I just never really used to act on it.
I've always escaped with fiction, found worlds so much better than this one I've been in, and at times, honestly wished that they were the world.
I've always been a xenophile , but Neytiri simply far outshines any other character I've seen
I wasn't looking for a message, or for anything really deep and meaningful, but I found them.
I never expected to cry over a film, but I have, so much.
Ahh HNM, we are very much alike, we see eye to eye on many things, to bad we live on opposite sides of the world
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:49 AM
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But what makes us different though?? WHY!!??
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Before watching the movie, I was rather disappointed in most sci-fis. I had my favorites, but many of them seemed so unrealistic. I wanted to see a sci-fi that truly would reflect how humanity would be like in the future -- no giant lasers, phasors, or warpdrives. A few weeks before the film I saw this trailer:







<--- was the expression on my face afterwards.
I knew beforehand that I would love the film as a work of art but I never realized that it would take me this far.

During the movie I was absolutely thrilled by the story. The plot, the setting, Pandora, the Navi, Neytiri, Hometree, Toruk Makto, all were amazing. My heart sang and emotions poured forth within me. It had been a long time since I felt this way. I laughed, felt both sorrow and joy, and nearly cried. A movie has never made me truly scared until Avatar. When Jake Sully was lieing on the floor of the shack without his mask in Neytiri's arms, I was so afraid that he was going to die. Had he died there in front of Neytiri, I would have broke down. And then when the movie ended, I felt mad, mad because I wanted to see MOAR.

After coming out of the theater, I thoroughly enjoyed and loved it but I didn't have a "longing" for it then. The feeling crept on me over a few days. I would see an avatar reference on a random website, blog, or magazine and this feeling would come over me. A very strong feeling of longing for more of Pandora, the Navi, and their way of life. From it, I suddenly realized that my life was missing something. What I saw was a community, a community of Navi who lived to peacefully together, in harmony like a family. They trusted each other and I realized that this was lacking in my life. There was no one in my life that I truly trusted. I had plenty of "aquaintences" but hardly any "friends." Looking at my life in the past, it seemed so... cold as I always kept most of my deep thoughts and inner feelings to myself because I had no one else. I was alive but had never lived, always lonely.

Shortly after watching the movie for the first time, I discovered A-F and hung around there quite often, my first movie forum. I did not even know that ToS existed until several months later when someone made a reference to it. Curious, I visited and fell in love with the site immediately. Now I am here.

P.S. watching that trailer again after all this time brings back so many memories.

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I suppose the message of Avatar hit us harder because we were more open and didn't dismiss Avatar as "just another movie" but actually saw beneath all the 3D affects and the Alien Pandora, a message. That message I think was more powerful than anything else we could of seen or experianced. I had suspicions about the way that the earth and average people were treated, but the message of Avatar opened my eyes and I haven't been the same since.

So I suppose we all saw and believed the message behind Avatar and came together on here as one to celebrate both that and the movie which brought that to us and helped to open our eyes: to allow us too "see" for possible the first time.

How many of us have either seen things differently, acted differently or just felt differently after seeing Avatar?
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I was thinking, just before I jumped into bed last night, after a good night skate of course that there has to be a connection. A connection between the users at ToS, I mean, why us? why were we the ones who were so deeply affected by Avatar, go back to your first viewing of Avatar, what was it like before and then after, for me it was questions, like a switch had been flipped inside, why were we affected and the masses weren't?? is there something more common between us than the love of an epic, life changing movie?

(I will be editing this post as i sit and think about it more)

There has to be considering I was thinking the same thing just last night.
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