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Default Britain wants to outlaw protest marches (and other action news)

Seems like the UK wants to cripple freedom a bit more and considers outlawing marches in the future to prevent riots. Ever considered that riots are there for a reason? That it is the peoples way to say "this is enough now"?

No, instead they threaten people and outlaw marches:
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He added: “I would urge those who turn up for protests to think about the impact this could have on their future careers.”
Asked at the press conference if the Met would consider banning future marches, Sir Paul replied: “That’s one of the options we have got.
Sure, that will not ignite new riots.

Meanwhile Greece looks like this: http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?ne...%3DAuJZdWTiaJM
and Italy looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0wgefcAOg

Random police brutality also seems to get some upwind: http://blog.starwreck.com/2010/12/16...-in-frankfurt/

And while all this happens, whole cities continue to fail: http://www.businessinsider.com/detro...ruptcy-2010-12

So the end of the year just fits perfectly to all of 2010 - I think it can be said that people are really p*ssed off by governments and social injustice - and they have good reason...
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WTF?

Typical, they do this because they can't control their own police. I'll be fighting this, that's for sure. I hope there are more, many more, and good if the police can't afford to keep doing this because maybe then they will stop attacking innocent protesters.

That said, the article says marches, not protests itself, which is actually legal, it means that protests can only be in one location at once, and AFAIK any decision to outright ban marches can be challenged. Either way, the current government is so weak, even compared to the previous one that ruined our economy, that I don't see anything actually happening from this.
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Well, if you could avoid beating cops senseless, this wouldn't be an issue.
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Well, if you could avoid beating cops senseless, this wouldn't be an issue.
The people isn't content with their government. Don't they have the freedom to protest?

Change doesn't happen by signing petitions and demonstrating peacefully.
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The people isn't content with their government. Don't they have the freedom to protest?

Change doesn't happen by signing petitions and demonstrating peacefully.


It also doesn't happen by beating people who are trying to do their job.
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And thus continues the steady march of corporatism. Won't be long until it'll be official here in the US, too. "Illegal" protesting got Daniel Ellsberg arrested yesterday in front of the White House, and not one of the mainstream media outlets covered the protest with any real substance at all. But out of sight, out of mind, right?

Daniel Ellsberg Among Anti-War Protesters Arrested At The White House : The Two-Way : NPR

On a side note, the Greek riot police look eerily like Combine Metrocops.

Isard - Well, if they are protecting the system being protested, they'd naturally be targets as well. Not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. British tax collectors were just doing their job, too, but it didn't stop colonists from taring and feathering them.
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Hmh. Sad news (again). People should be free to march if they want.
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"Illegal" protesting got Daniel Ellsberg arrested yesterday in front of the White House, and not one of the mainstream media outlets covered the protest with any real substance at all. But out of sight, out of mind, right?
Yeah, that is probably why Isard thinks there are no protests in the USA - just because it's not on FOX does not mean it did not happen

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On a side note, the Greek riot police look eerily like Combine Metrocops.
They look like soldiers and the whole scenery looks and sounds like civil war.

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It also doesn't happen by beating people who are trying to do their job ...
Well, if you could avoid beating cops senseless, this wouldn't be an issue.
Haha you are very funny indeed. Yeah the poor helpless cops that do not have any armor or weapons at all are beaten up by the mean students who have body armor, teargas, water cannons, tasers, rubber guns, gas masks,.... Or was it the other way round - darn...
i keep forgetting these things
Oh and the poor soldiers in wars - they are just doing their jobs by bombing the land and shooting people, why do these people have to shoot back at them? They are just faithful good people. Oh and the friends of my grandfather in mid 20th century Germany - why did these evil Americans have to bomb them, they were just good Germans doing their jobs. I mean - it was hard times, so if the only job offered was to produce gas for Dachau that cannot be held against them, right?

Just to make sure you get it: This was sarcasm for most parts, as I am not going to comment on such ludicrous statements with real answers
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Well, if you could avoid beating cops senseless, this wouldn't be an issue.
Go back to flamebaiting in threads you actually know something about. These protests have been a borderline police riot.
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And thus continues the steady march of corporatism. Won't be long until it'll be official here in the US, too. "Illegal" protesting got Daniel Ellsberg arrested yesterday in front of the White House, and not one of the mainstream media outlets covered the protest with any real substance at all. But out of sight, out of mind, right?

Daniel Ellsberg Among Anti-War Protesters Arrested At The White House : The Two-Way : NPR

On a side note, the Greek riot police look eerily like Combine Metrocops.

Isard - Well, if they are protecting the system being protested, they'd naturally be targets as well. Not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. British tax collectors were just doing their job, too, but it didn't stop colonists from taring and feathering them.

No, they're protecting people who aren't a part of the dispute. They're there to keep some measure of control, and then crowds decide that beating them senseless will solve their problems.
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Haha - all this is a bit ironic from someone with the sig "You're giving me bookkeeping. I want blood."

But then, Isard=Iceheart=Aihwa (AF) - i should have checked the credentials first

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No, they're protecting people who aren't a part of the dispute. They're there to keep some measure of control, and then crowds decide that beating them senseless will solve their problems.
No, they are protecting "stuff" and maybe "property" and usually it is them who beat up people. And they protect people who ARE part of the dispute but on the opposite side of the protesters.

Imagine something: There are riots in London and two people happen to walk into the place. One is a rich banker or politician in a suit, driving in a black limousine who wants to get to a 5 star hotel and the other is a car mechanic wearing a torn leather jacket on his way home from work on foot. Both will facing the threat of being beaten and both will have the chance to find someone who protects them. Which of them will statistically get either of this from which group on the scene?
What is the conclusion from that thought experiment on what the purpose of the riot police really is?
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Does britain have the equivilant of the bill of rights or a freedom of protest? If so then this is both unlawfull and evil. If not than its just evil.
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Isard, the problem with the police is that they are just 'following orders', they are told by superiors to do something and they do it regardless of how they actually feel about the matter. If those police were students, they might be protesting as well. I don't approve of violent protests but it's a sign people are ****** off, rather than 'fixing' the problem with tear gas and a baton, perhaps the government should not make promises they cannot keep.

Just my views on the matter

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The people isn't content with their government. Don't they have the freedom to protest?

Change doesn't happen by signing petitions and demonstrating peacefully.
I don't think violent acts such as these result in change either.
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