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Old 04-07-2011, 02:53 AM
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Recently I've been dreaming a lot. And I mean a lot. Like so much that reality and dreams are blurring together. I'll go through a whole day, and the only two parts I realize are that I get into my bed at night, and out of in the morning.

Maybe dreaming is the right world, but perhaps "living inside my mind." It seems as if recently everything has been inside my mind. Everything I do in school is thinking orientated. Even my runs, and hard workouts. I block out the pain, and hardly realize anything is happening.

I've started doing reality checks. Where I stop, look around, and feel the ground/desk/whatever around me. I make sure I'm awake. I try to feel the physical world. Feel tangibility.

I really don't know exactly how to explain this, but it's like I hardly feel a part of the tangible world. It's kinda like I'm just my mind, and I'm stuck in this vehicle (my body) and I'm going through life.

I mean, it's not like I'm dreaming fantasy things, I'm doing Calculus, reading books, learning a new language, and all kinds of demanding thought processing activities. But, I very rarely feel "Alive." I used to feel so connected to the ground below me, but now I feel Like I'm thinking about too many things, and I forgot to feel the solid surface below me.

I really don't know exactly how to explain this, it's just kinda like all I do is think (thinking isn't bad), and I don't touch enough tangible things to remind myself what is actually reality, and what is going on in my mind.

I don't know, it's just strange how "detached" from the physical world I've felt lately. Now, don't get me wrong. I believe that you can "Slip inside the eye of your mind, don't you know you might find a better place to play." But, I think I'm ignoring the cool wind stinging my face. The rush of adrenaline from when I almost get injured. It's not that I avoid pain completely in my life (I mean my races hurt a damn-lot), it's more that I've stopped thinking about it, and I don't pain attention to it.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:21 AM
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Recently I've been dreaming a lot. And I mean a lot. Like so much that reality and dreams are blurring together. I'll go through a whole day, and the only two parts I realize are that I get into my bed at night, and out of in the morning.

Maybe dreaming is the right world, but perhaps "living inside my mind." It seems as if recently everything has been inside my mind. Everything I do in school is thinking orientated. Even my runs, and hard workouts. I block out the pain, and hardly realize anything is happening.

I've started doing reality checks. Where I stop, look around, and feel the ground/desk/whatever around me. I make sure I'm awake. I try to feel the physical world. Feel tangibility.

I really don't know exactly how to explain this, but it's like I hardly feel a part of the tangible world. It's kinda like I'm just my mind, and I'm stuck in this vehicle (my body) and I'm going through life.

I mean, it's not like I'm dreaming fantasy things, I'm doing Calculus, reading books, learning a new language, and all kinds of demanding thought processing activities. But, I very rarely feel "Alive." I used to feel so connected to the ground below me, but now I feel Like I'm thinking about too many things, and I forgot to feel the solid surface below me.

I really don't know exactly how to explain this, it's just kinda like all I do is think (thinking isn't bad), and I don't touch enough tangible things to remind myself what is actually reality, and what is going on in my mind.

I don't know, it's just strange how "detached" from the physical world I've felt lately. Now, don't get me wrong. I believe that you can "Slip inside the eye of your mind, don't you know you might find a better place to play." But, I think I'm ignoring the cool wind stinging my face. The rush of adrenaline from when I almost get injured. It's not that I avoid pain completely in my life (I mean my races hurt a damn-lot), it's more that I've stopped thinking about it, and I don't pain attention to it.
This is what you're experiencing:
Depersonalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychologists have recently acknowledged the fact that modern society can cause this. We find ourselves shutting out from reality for multiple reasons. Obviously this may not be to the extent you described, but could be part of it. What you've described is a fairly severe case of depersonalization, one I would consider looking into further or else your life will start to become nothing but a blur. Remember Fight Club? What the narrator describes wasn't based on fantasy.
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:14 AM
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hmm, that is interesting. Especially since you mention fight club. It's kinda like I want to change something. I want to do something to help our planet, and fight the monotony of life in our system. It's not that I'm afraid to give up my life, or fight for a cause, it's that I don't know how to do it. It's like I want change, and I'm willing to fight for it, but there is nothing to fight, and that is why this "de-phasing" from reality happens. (if that makes sense?)
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hmm, that is interesting. Especially since you mention fight club. It's kinda like I want to change something. I want to do something to help our planet, and fight the monotony of life in our system. It's not that I'm afraid to give up my life, or fight for a cause, it's that I don't know how to do it. It's like I want change, and I'm willing to fight for it, but there is nothing to fight, and that is why this "de-phasing" from reality happens. (if that makes sense?)
I think what you're experiencing is a disconnect between your values and virtues, something psychologists call cognitive dissonance. Depersonalization and what you've described are natural responses to acute stress, and having a feeling of low self-worth can contribute. I understand, because I feel the way you do (although not quite as severe), and I believe it stems from being unable to apply our highly idealistic views on the world into the world itself. People like me and you just need to realize that our time will come, and that patience is key in making a difference.

In order to provide a real life example, think of the Civil Rights movement. A lot of the force behind it came from the college students who were highly idealized and sought something to fight for. Obviously this isn't the only example, but I think the jury is out on whether or not this mentality is caused by hormones (lol) or just the newfound idealism that results from gaining knowledge.
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:28 AM
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I really understand the feeling... I feel that. It's when you see how things could be, and you want that life, but it doesn't happen. Dreaming is one way, and you feel like the life you physically have isn't the right one. All you can do is live as closely to your dreams as you can
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:02 AM
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I mean, it's not like I'm dreaming fantasy things, I'm doing Calculus, reading books, learning a new language, and all kinds of demanding thought processing activities. But, I very rarely feel "Alive." I used to feel so connected to the ground below me, but now I feel Like I'm thinking about too many things, and I forgot to feel the solid surface below me.
Theorist, I am also doing Calculus and stuff in college right now and I feel the exact same way. Having so much demanding stuff to do forces me to be less aware of what is around me and work hard on a specific thing. I agree that that can be frustrating, but you know it is almost summer time! (if your live in the northern hemisphere)

I also am amazed by the similarity between dreams and reality. I've been practicing lucid dreaming for about a year now (where you are aware that your dreaming in a dream). When I have free time I really enjoy reading about the concept and how Quantum Mechanics can (kind of) make sense of it.

Let me suggest reading this article. It is an excerpt from a book I am going to read this summer when I get the time.

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Old 04-15-2011, 03:29 AM
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I was reading that exact same article myself last night! (Though on a different website.) Crazy!
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Old 04-15-2011, 03:31 AM
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Theorist, I am also doing Calculus and stuff in college right now and I feel the exact same way. Having so much demanding stuff to do forces me to be less aware of what is around me and work hard on a specific thing. I agree that that can be frustrating, but you know it is almost summer time! (if your live in the northern hemisphere)

I also am amazed by the similarity between dreams and reality. I've been practicing lucid dreaming for about a year now (where you are aware that your dreaming in a dream). When I have free time I really enjoy reading about the concept and how Quantum Mechanics can (kind of) make sense of it.

Let me suggest reading this article. It is an excerpt from a book I am going to read this summer when I get the time.

God is love: The holographic Paradigm
I am a firm believer of many things beyond the reality we see, not just because there is evidence to support it, but also even more beyond that. Ever heard of quantum non-locality? It's precisely what that article describes. What book is that from? I might be interested in reading it as well.
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:08 AM
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I am a firm believer of many things beyond the reality we see, not just because there is evidence to support it, but also even more beyond that. Ever heard of quantum non-locality? It's precisely what that article describes. What book is that from? I might be interested in reading it as well.
Yeah, all of that is sooooo fascinating. I thought about talking about it a little, but to what extent? To just try and sound smart? The Quantum World is counter-intuitive and there is no one that understands it naturally. It is the world of imagination and the end of rationality.

The book it is from is called The Holographic reality. Its an older book but the concept is amazing. Another book like it I can't wait to read is Brian Greene's newest book "The Hidden Reality" where he attempts to bring the concept of parallel universes down to a level where a normal person can begin to understand the concept.
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Old 04-15-2011, 07:33 AM
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Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you're able to type this out and tell people this, then I don't see how there is any possible way you can not know whether you're dreaming or not. A dream may feel real while it's actually happening, but when you're awake you can totally tell the difference between the two.
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Old 04-15-2011, 11:34 AM
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Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you're able to type this out and tell people this, then I don't see how there is any possible way you can not know whether you're dreaming or not. A dream may feel real while it's actually happening, but when you're awake you can totally tell the difference between the two.
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Well, let me try to explain. Like right now. I just did a "awake" test. I looked at my hand, and made sure all my birth marks and scars were in the right spot. Then, I licked the roof of my mouth, and it tickled and felt weird. These are both reality checks, because in dreams your hand won't have the exact detailing, and the tongue one is good, because your tongue against the roof of your mouth is a very unique feeling not commonly felt in a lucid dream.

If this makes it clearer, it's kinda like I could go through a whole day. Then, at the end, when I go to bed, it feels like I didn't do anything that day. It feels like that day just happened, and I don't remember any specific physical senses or anything, just a few thoughts I had during the day.

Like, I don't necessarily mean night time dreams vs reality. A lot of it is that much of what I do, day to day, seems to be in my head. I do calculus, I learn German, I read literature, I do physics. I do it all, but everything happens in my head. I never felt in physical reality, because I was sitting there the whole time.

If that makes sense anymore?

ps: thanks for that link, I'm gonna go read it. You guys know a lot on this. And that "Wanting to have these virtues, but being unable to get them in society" is extremely accurate. I've been debating with myself recently if I should promote things that I think are right, if some people think other things (which highly contrast my beliefs) are right. Because, it's like I truly honestly with all my heart believe some certain value is right. Then other people think it's stupid, and think something else is right. Idk, I'm trying to decide: do I fight for the ideals I think are right, or simply try to live by them myself, and accept that other people will think other things are "right," even if I think they're "wrong."

If that's confusing, let me give you an example.
I was raised believing that we humans are no different than other animals, or other plants. That we shouldn't get special privelages. That "All life has intrinsic value, regardless of its value to humans." Then, when someone says "Animals are only here for us (humans) to eat." I'm at a loss. The latter belief obviously comes from a Christian faith. I'm Christian too, but I suppose my interpretation of the bible is different than theirs. Now, I don't want to offend someone's faith. But I don't know what to do, the morals I was raised by just got shot down. Do I say promote mine and say animals are more than food, or do I sit there and let them say what they want, and "let it be"?
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That does make sense when you aren't sure whether you're properly awake. I feel that sometimes, usually when it's hard to actually sleep. The only thing I can say that seems to help for me is to actually sleep more, which is easier said than done in that case
Honestly, you have to stand by what you think though, and not lie to yourself
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ps: thanks for that link, I'm gonna go read it. You guys know a lot on this. And that "Wanting to have these virtues, but being unable to get them in society" is extremely accurate. I've been debating with myself recently if I should promote things that I think are right, if some people think other things (which highly contrast my beliefs) are right. Because, it's like I truly honestly with all my heart believe some certain value is right. Then other people think it's stupid, and think something else is right. Idk, I'm trying to decide: do I fight for the ideals I think are right, or simply try to live by them myself, and accept that other people will think other things are "right," even if I think they're "wrong."

If that's confusing, let me give you an example.
I was raised believing that we humans are no different than other animals, or other plants. That we shouldn't get special privelages. That "All life has intrinsic value, regardless of its value to humans." Then, when someone says "Animals are only here for us (humans) to eat." I'm at a loss. The latter belief obviously comes from a Christian faith. I'm Christian too, but I suppose my interpretation of the bible is different than theirs. Now, I don't want to offend someone's faith. But I don't know what to do, the morals I was raised by just got shot down. Do I say promote mine and say animals are more than food, or do I sit there and let them say what they want, and "let it be"?
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Although my dreams seem real at the time (imagine that..), I can always tell that I'm awake when I'm awake. My cat however sometimes feels the need to poke my nose when I show signs of movement to remind me that I am awake so I do need to supply some tinned catfood.
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