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Old 10-10-2011, 08:58 PM
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Kaltxi, my name is Tsanten Eywa 'eveng, and I am a new member here at TOS.

I am looking after new members of Real Life Na'vi Tribe, that someone want to join, proably someone of you doesn't know about it, so I will explain you that

okay, here is something, that is from a website called project-tribal.com, it is where you can read some info about Real Life Na'vi Tribe, but I'm going to post it here, you need to have Adobe Reader to see it, because, maybe some of you, are using a phone.

Our mission in Real Life Na'vi Tribe

The Real Life Tribe is a group of people looking to get back in touch
with nature by giving up the destructive use of modern technologies.
We are a people that believe in the value of living off the land and
particularly in a strong communal way of living. Through our actions
we aspire to show the world the rewards of truly sustainable living and
that all living things deserve a degree of respect.


Our intentions are to legally purchase a real estate property, on which
we will be able to form our culture. For meat, we hunt. For fruit or
vegetables, we either gather or farm. For water, we use natural
sources.


We aim to construct any buildings we may need using only materials
found onsite, and only using traditional techniques.
To make the Tribe safe and legal, however, we must compromise in
certain areas, shown below:
- Our location must not be more than two hours from the nearest
emergency services.
- Due to the multinational nature of our group, we must legally
immigrate to the host country.
- There will need to be an emergency centre onsite, constructed of
sturdy man-made materials, which will house all legal documents and
communications technology. Our aim is to have this station powered
by entirely renewable methods.


Current estimates suggest that the tribes trial run will begin in 2013-14.
Much of this time will be spent in either fundraising or training.

Current number of members: 17


here are something other:


Frequently asked questions


1. Will we live like the Na'Vi?
Answer: To an extent. We cannot exactly replicate their system, nor will we try to - this is all about creating something unique that other people can learn from.

2. I am from a country other than America, the UK or Australia. Can I join?
Answer: Of course! There will be no discrimination of race, gender, or sexuality amongst the Tribe. You will be among friends!

3. When will the tribe be set up?
Answer: Current estimates put the tribe 3 to 4 years in the future. Most of this time will be spent in training and in fundraising.

4. Will it cost me money?
Answer: Sad to say, yes. If you wish to join, then you will be expected to donate to the cause - however smallthe donation may be. In the end, though, the budget will be steep - and we need all the help we can get. Fundraising projects will be arranged in the future. Look at it this way - the more people join, the less each person will have to pay!

5. like the idea, but I might not be able to commit long term. Can I still contribute?
Answer: Certainly. Moving away from civilisation doesn't appeal to everyone, but every voice added to our song is helpful. If you know that you will be unable to follow us through to the end, then that is fine - doubtless you will still have much needed ideas and viewpoints.

6. Are you all crazy, Avatar obsessed wackos?
Answer: No. We were inspired by the film, not obsessed. This is a practical idea that requires serious input.


currently location, that can be possible is: Mauna Kea Ranch, Hawaii
cost: $3,7 million, this will be distributed on each member

OK, so more info, will probably come soon

So that i posting this is that I want more people to join Real Life Na'vi Tribe, so just think about it,
and reply as soon as you can, If you will do this

I am going to do this, It will be very fun, you can be a taronyu if you want, a hunter, I am going to be it

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Old 10-10-2011, 10:56 PM
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Interesting. I would join, but I'm already committed to such a group.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:59 PM
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Interesting. I would join, but I'm already committed to such a group.
are you already in this?

did you get notice on this on Learn Navi forum?
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:02 PM
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Nonononono, I am on a different group to yours, but with similar intentions.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:14 PM
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Nonononono, I am on a different group to yours, but with similar intentions.
Please don't take offense, but this post did remind me of the scene from Life of Brian:

Brian: "We must unite against our common enemy!"
Rebels: "...The Judean People's Front!"
Brian: *facepalming* "No, the Romans!"

It just seems to me that there is an awful lot of these tribe-founding groups that are all working towards superficially the same goal.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:51 PM
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lol Clarke Sometimes I think the same about all the Avatar forums out there

Eltu should have a look at this. Combine the tribes, if they're similar enough
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:49 AM
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lol Clarke Sometimes I think the same about all the Avatar forums out there

Eltu should have a look at this. Combine the tribes, if they're similar enough
/calls over Eltu.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:58 AM
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Apparently, Eltu's already heard about this and has known about it for a long time. He says there actually are lots of aspects which are different, one of which is the policy on keeping animals.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:26 AM
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This sounds like an interesting idea, the thing is there are cheaper places to by land. Like Texas...
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:12 AM
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Yes - there has been such a group among this community ever since the release of the movie in 2009. Previously the Revolutionists and now the Blue Moon Tribe - mostly made up of members of ToS/AF. It was founded very shortly after Avatar's release, and has been active ever since. We have not really advertised ourselves in neither AF nor ToS though, so I do not think everyone around knows we exist.

We've spoken with members of this project as well, but there are some fundamental differences in the way we wish to do things. Thus, a full collaboration effort is probably not for the best. I do wish you luck in your future endeavors and hope we both will be able to reach the goals we seek.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:31 PM
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We've spoken with members of this project as well, but there are some fundamental differences in the way we wish to do things. Thus, a full collaboration effort is probably not for the best. I do wish you luck in your future endeavors and hope we both will be able to reach the goals we seek.
Would you mind explaining to someone who's not a part of either tribe (a.k.a. me ) what those fundamental differences are? I'm curious about this sort of thing.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:05 AM
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There are two major kind of differences, I'd say - organizational, and ideological. The first are, as I think you'll agree, both the least interesting and also the least important - regardless, I'll sum up what I know in this regard first. Please remember that I'm not a member of the RLNT community and thus doesn't know everything about their opinions and ways to do things - but I know some things, so I could probably provide useful information here.

Of course, I am not trying to evaluate which community is "better" or "worse" - but different approaches to things suit different people, so with some more information it may be easier for any interested to decide which one works best for them.

So. as for the organizational differences - they most likely aren't changing how anyone's feeling about either community, but could still be good to know. So, with no further ado:

The website
The RLNT is heavily integrated in the LearnNa'vi website and community, while BM is all independent (own website with its own forums, own IRC network, etc.) - neither approach is "better", of course - but they suit differently well for different people, so it should be noted.

Decision making system
Any RLNT member will have to fill me in on this, but I can say that the BM tribe uses a consensus policy when it comes to decision making - in other words, everyone has to agree on a matter before it's decided upon. The RLNT may have a different way of deciding things here, but again, I do not know - so, not really a difference until stated otherwise, just pointing it out.

Size
It's currently a bit hard to look up the size of the BM tribe, since it was recently moved to a new website (with forums, knowledge base and all) and haven't moved everything over from the old on yet, neither data nor users. Regardless, its userbase is smaller in size than the RLNT. As ToS/AF has proven, different people prefer communities of different sizes, and although the size of these will obviously change a lot over time, it's still worth noting.

Funding
While the RLNT has a "everyone splits the cost" policy as described in the OP, the Blue Moon tribe does not. Rather, everyone is free to contribute with whatever one can. It will probably lead to development being a bit slower, but can make it easier for people to join who does not have a strong economical position. Again, the two approaches work differently well for different people.

Progress
Due to the scale of this kind of project, reaching much progress in little time is far less important than establishing a solid userbase - at least, in my opinion. Regardless, it seems like both groups have made some amount of progress, especially in the planning stages of things. None is "in the field" yet - BM has meetups planned, but has not decided upon a location for the tribe yet - this matter is still up for discussion, and is being researched. From what I understand, the RLNT has reached further progress here. Of course, this can be both bad and good - it's probably easier to decide upon location based issues in the RLNT at the moment, but if one's unhappy with the location decided there's plenty of room for discussion in the BM tribe.




Then of course, we have the ideological differences. There are quite a few issues upon which the two communities have come to fundamentally different conclusions - and many of these are topics that people feel strongly about, so these may be the more important differences to many. I won't go through every issue, because honestly I do not know of both communities' opinion on everything - but I will give some examples.

Rules
The RLNT is harder on rules and requirements to enter the tribe. For the BM tribe, one writes a shorter (or longer ) introductory post on the boards, and is then welcome into the community (provided the introductory post wasn't hostile/offensive etc. of course). The RLNT has a larger set of requirements one must match (the previously mentioned financial requirements, being able to contribute with work, etc.). Again, I leave it to everyone to decide the pros and cons of each approach themselves. Less rules mean that more people can join, more rules mean things can get more focused.

Animal keeping
Looking at conversations and discussions in each community, things are quite different here. The general consensus of the RLNT seems to be "No animals unless they are productive - they take up food and resources", while most people at the BM tribe think "Any animals can live among us, as long as they don't cause any harm, just like other tribe members." Not everyone thinks this, but a majority certainly does. Naturally, which opinion is the "right" one depends on one's own views and morals - after all, that's why I'm putting all this out there, so everyone can decide for themselves.

These are just a few examples, but should give you an idea of the differences - if any of you is interested in joining this kind of community, there will always be many choices to make - and keep in mind that these are only two among many.

Oh and in case any of you missed it, you can visit the two communities here:

The Blue Moon Tribe - The Front Page

Project Tribal

And if I've gotten anything wrong, don't hesitate to correct me. That'd be all.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:54 AM
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Thank you, Eltu for explaining this

I'd like to add a few short things. For once, there is (sadly a bit erratic) contact between the two projects. In many aspects there are strong similarities and I would say these are larger than our differences. However while a unification was thought of, almost all agreed that at this point it does not make sense due to some differences but also because the thought is to have two projects means to have two chances of actually creating this and if both work, there can be a cooperation or exchange. There are other groups that some of us are in contact with, who have also similar (but as well in some details quite different) plans. Up to now the prevailing theme is that while there can and should be cooperation, the first attemps should be made to set up several projects with different backgrounds. In the back of our heads we all have however the "backup plan" to get together in case that for some reason or another some or all of the projects are threatened by failure.

So unlike in "Life of Brian", there is no competition or opposition between these groups, but rather we try different approaches and see what will work, also learning from each other.
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Thanks Eltu and Aurora, those are some very helpful explanations. I probably won't join either group for now, just 'cos I don't see myself living in such a habitat in the near future. However, I really want to learn the skills and techniques needed to survive in this sort of living. If the Blue Moon Tribe does end up allowing visitors to live and learn at its location for a while (as said on the "welcome" page), I definitely like to give it a try.
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It just seems to me that there is an awful lot of these tribe-founding groups that are all working towards superficially the same goal.
Really? Which? I only know of Blue Moon and Project Tribal (aka. Learn-Na'vi tribe, the one this thread is about), and then there was (completely un-Avatar-related) Anononia/New Wings/Freesteading, which doesn't seem to exist anymore. (And Vere Vita, also un-Avatar-related, and which never seemed to be an organization at all, more just a place for people to talk about going to live in the wild.)

And then of course there are a couple of thousand ecovillages in the world, that more or less resemble these projects. (Except that I have NEVER encountered an ecovillage that would ever consider hunting, most are vegetarian or vegan.)

What I want to know now is what is happening to Project Tribals new website - since the LN-forum has been down for a while and is probably going to be for a while longer, I am not getting any updates on the tribe.

(I have been a member of BMT since August 2010 and have followed PT since early last year, but I don't know if I'm going with either of them. The lack of activity is a tremendous shame, and I'm doing my best to motivate people.)
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