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Old 04-09-2017, 11:40 PM
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So I have a P50ST50 50" 3D Plasma TV that's been doing just fine. It's kinda eye-straining with gaming but is great with TV and movies. I'm seeing all these 4k UHD TV's at the stores and a bit tempted. I paid over a grand for my 50" 3D tv and these 4k 55-65 inch tv's are going for half the price and reviews are very good. There's a 55" Samsung 4K Smart TV on sale for $399. That's insane.

I don't have 4k cable (Just HD box) or a 4k blu ray player so would they be worth buying?

I wanna go bigger in my living room and move the 3D tv to my computer/tech room. I'm also trying to prepare for the release of Avatar 2 in whatever viewing format it will be released in. I want to get the full experience in my living room.
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:04 AM
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some key questions , if you are a gamer display lag is always a concern,, low latency is a well known strong point of the technology of most plasma displays but no one makes them anymore so with LCD or OLed look for a new display with "Game mode" if latency is important ,, one of the biggest differences with 4k is not just the resolution "but" hardware support for high dynamic range technology ability for a much broader more natural spectrum of colors the original TV standerd , while almost all modern 4k displays feature HDR10 , many do not support dynamic dolby vision so make sure you take this feature into account ,,, the other issue is 3D support , while 4K standards may not support it (angering a number of film makers) but if you have a current library of 1080 Blu-ray 3D films be aware it can be a challenge to find displays in 2017 that still feature 3D support .. also be aware not all 4K Blu-ray players support "dolby vision HDR" so one must look for this feature in the player as well..
LCD has come a long way but OLED displays still have a large advantage in showing true black which really helps visual fidelity and they both reduce power consumption over plasma by a large margin. take a critical look at any content that shows fast panning motion like a side view of the logos a wall at a auto race "do they judder or blur" LCD' technology displays have the most challenges here , still have a HD Panasonic Vt50 plasma and it shines in this area

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Old 04-10-2017, 11:06 PM
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some key questions , if you are a gamer display lag is always a concern,, low latency is a well known strong point of the technology of most plasma displays so look for a new display with "Game mode" ,, one of the biggest differences with 4k is not just the resolution "but" hardware support for high dynamic range technology ability for a much broader more natural spectrum of colors the original TV standerd , while almost all modern 4k displays feature HDR10 , many do not support dynamic dolby vision so make sure you take this feature into account ,,, the other issue is 3D support , while 4K standards may not support it (angering a number of film makers) but if you have a current library of 1080 Blu-ray 3D films be aware it can be a challenge to find displays in 2017 that still feature 3D support .. also be aware not all 4K Blu-ray players support "dolby vision HDR" so one must look for this feature in the player as well..
LCD has come a long way but OLED displays still have a large advantage in showing true black which really helps visual fidelity and they both reduce power consumption over plasma by a large margin. take a critical look at any content that shows fast panning motion like a side view of the logos a wall at a auto race "do they judder or blur" LCD' technology displays have the most challenges here , still have a HD Panasonic Vt50 plasma and it shines in this area
Thanks for that info. I wouldn't mind an OLED tv but holy damn their prices are insane. I most likely will keep my Plasma for 3D viewing in my other room. I wonder how it will handle Cameron's next masterpiece because I read that he was going to using a higher frame rate or something.

The judder or blur is what bothers me about my TV. It has alot of that and it's annoying to me because I'm all about details so I'm not really focused on the object on the screen but more of everything being shown. I've tried different settings on my TV and tried it with motion smoother on and off but it still does it. Any suggestions on how to lesson it?

I haven't tried Game mode on my TV yet. I am on Custom and using D-Nice's settings for this particular tv.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:50 AM
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Well I would say this: You don't need to prepare for Avatar 2 just yet. It's still years away and then the blu-ray release won't be until months later even then. In the meantime, you can enjoy watching the first in 3D. If it were me, I would be doing that constantly. So I would say it is not worth getting yet.
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Old 04-11-2017, 10:32 PM
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i may be buying my first 3D tv (for Avatar, of course) after i return from my Portland, Oregon trip later this month. i need a 3D tv for my mancave!


do they make 4K 3D tv's?
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:42 PM
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i may be buying my first 3D tv (for Avatar, of course) after i return from my Portland, Oregon trip later this month. i need a 3D tv for my mancave!


do they make 4K 3D tv's?
Yes. They're well out of my price range though.
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Old 04-13-2017, 07:16 AM
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We have an older Panasonic plasma TV that my Dad bought about 10 years ago, the picture is/was very good, but it is an energy hog, now though its on its last legs as a verticle bar has shown up on the screen on and off, sometimes its all black, sometimes its multi colored, and sometimes its all white, I think it tries to mimic the general background of whats on the screen at the time.
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:28 AM
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I almost forgot about this thread. My gf and I ended up converting my office into a sleeper office, which is basically somewhat of a theater/entertainment room with hidden office tech. A big part of the conversion was the monitor. We were using a 24" LED monitor with the PC and decided to upgrade to a larger screen. Since this room isn't used as much as the living room, we ended up buying a middle of the pack TV which handles the computing and tv viewing. The tv we purchased was an Hisense 43H6D 43" 4k Smart TV.

The TV looks amazing when viewing 4k content and I immediately started to wonder if Avatar would look even better on this TV. I do not have a Blu Ray player hooked up to this but I would definitely go through the effort of disconnecting my BR player in the Living room and moving it in here IF it is worth watching Avatar on this. Now keep in mind I have my TV stand set with all the wires bundled together and all that neat-freak stuff done to it so disconnecting something would be quite a chore.

Is there that much of a difference in viewing Avatar with 4k up-scaling? My living room TV is a P50ST50 Panasonic Plasma 3D tv and it is "outstanding" so I am not sure if I should try or not. Should I?
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:44 AM
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Do they make "3D" capable 4K TV's Yes "But" you have to look for a older 2016/17 model ,, some of the best passive 3D (sets that use Polarized light 3D technology) make use of 4K up scaling ,, as of 2018 as far as I know all the display makers "dropped" 3D in there feature set for new models.. (and managed to anger a lot of people who really respect 3D as an art form) only projectors still have 3D in there feature set right now...

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Old 03-29-2018, 03:57 AM
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Do they make "3D" capable 4K TV's Yes "But" you have to look for a older 2016/17 model ,, some of the best passive 3D (sets that use Polarized light 3D technology) make use of 4K up scaling ,, as of 2018 as far as I know all the display makers "dropped" 3D in there feature set for new models.. (and managed to anger a lot of people who really respect 3D as an art form) only projectors still have 3D in there feature set right now...
I am not really looking for a 3D 4k TV. I was just wondering if Avatar looks any better upscaled in 4k.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:51 AM
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I'd wait for the uhd release of avatar and a proper 4k 3d tv which doesn't need to upscale things.
Don't know whether it looks acceptable though.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:29 AM
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I've wanted a 3D TV ever since Panasonic came out with them and was showing scenes from Avatar on them in the stores, and started to worry that I would never own one when the manufacturers stopped making them. Finally about 4 or 5 months ago (late 2017) I bought a Samsung 55" 3D 4K HDR LED television (I don't know the model off of the top of my head). It took a lot of searching to find a 4K TV with 3D (as the last 3D sets were produced in 2016). I finally found one of the last models manufactured in 2016 that was in an open box but still had all of its plastic cling wrap on it that a small independent electronics store had one left in their stock room. By the time 3D was being phased out, only the top of the line 4K models were still equipped with it. The TV I got was a top of the line Samsung with an original MSRP of $3999 that I got for $1350(CAN) taxes in. I just have a regular 3D Blu-Ray player, but fpi Eywa does Avatar ever look good in 3D upscaled to 4K. I think I enjoy watching Avatar more on this TV than in the theater, and having my 98th, 99th and 100th viewing of Avatar on it, I was still noticing details that I had not seen before. The 3D is so crisp and clear and, well, 3D. The 3D glasses are active shutter LCD, but they are far superior to the older, heavier infra-red glasses. These are no thicker than a pair of sunglasses, connect via bluetooth, and are so slim that you look at them and wonder how they got the electronics in there. The TV came with 2 pairs, and I picked up 2 more pairs for $20 each, which is the price that Samsung was retailing them for (and available new all over eBay for $20 each), not $150 bucks each like when Panasonic first released 3D TVs, which is what I think really hurt the sales of 3D TVs.

I'll eventually have to buy a 4K HDR Blu-ray player, especially since its been rumored that James Cameron wants to release a 4K HDR version of Avatar with Avatar 2. So when the time comes I'll buy the 4K HDR Avatar (of course) and a player to go with it, then I'll be able to compare the 3D upscale with the 4K HDR version. But we still have a few years left to wait for that. The question will be whether there are any 4K UHD Blu-ray players that support 3D playback and whether there will be any 4K UHD 3D Blu-ray movie releases.

My opinion is that if you're a crazy Avatard like me, if you can find a 3D 4K TV somewhere, get it. Avatar is meant to be seen in 3D, and it looks absolutely awesome in 3D 4K upscale.

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Avatar looks amazing still on mt 1080p PC monitor, and on my 720p TV. Any Avatar fan NEEDS a 4K HDR 3D TV. Fact.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:53 PM
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Probably the best viewing experience I have ever seen is for 3D content is a high end VR HMD but most of them are limited in resolution and the ones that are not are very costly , the big advantage VR HMD's have is that they are able to present both left and right eye images without having to rapidly switch back and forth between the two, "plus" they can be adjusted in there software for the exact interocular spacing of your eyes,, Cinema is slowly making the switch to Laser projection with the Imax Laser system using two projectors ,, each using a different wavelength of laser light intended for each eye ,, the glasses for this system have very little crosstalk and it produces a very bright high contrast image unlike the polarized system that people complain lowers brightness and contrast.. in many venues this really hurts 3D presentation and is one of the reasons people have issues with watching 3D movies in that environment. its surprising how many cinemas have not made the upgrade to 4K capable projection due to there high cost.

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