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Old 04-08-2010, 01:45 AM
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I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, I just want to speak my mind.

After reading Woodsprite's post on the "What are your beliefs and why?" thread, I just thought to myself... Do I really care about religion?

As you can tell from that thread, i'm not a follower of any religion but I generally believe in acting kindly to everyone and everything, which in the send will pay it's dividends. I do however believe there is something beyond science, a human soul or 'being', but that's another subject... I take life as it comes and while I don't force my beliefs on anyone else (i'm tolerant of any religious belief and the people that hold them provided they are generally good people) I just think many concentrate and obsess far too much on what has been and gone.

This is the way I see it, we live in the now, not the past. Someone once said "If you do not learn history you are doomed to repeat it" and I agree with this completely. You cannot simply brush off every single year that has passed, lessons need to be learned not forgotten... I just feel many people, the scientists and religious alike, just fixate so hard on what has been - how we got here and what exactly happened millenia ago and spend so much time researching, debating, theorising and, in many cases, fighting over it that we are forgetting the problems of the present and the future and how we can go about fixing them.

Don't get me wrong, I am interested in discovering the secrets of the past, but do they really deserve more attention than the the problems of the present or the issues of the future?
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:06 AM
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Very good question Fkeu'itan. I don't think that apathy is the right word in this case. As a student of history and a lover of tradition and other old stuff I believe that it is very important to know our past and to revere those parts that should be revered. I also believe it is important to learn from the mistakes and the terrible things that were done in the past with the hope that armed with such knowledge, we will not try to do the same thing in the future which is easier said than done.

However, you are correct that some do look to much into the past. They dwell on it. Instead of allowing it to inspire or arm them they allow themselves to be calcified, to be a fly in amber. They can be the MOST difficult people to deal with.

There are others who look into the future to much. So much so that they want to tear down ANY connection to the past. They try to live in the future without any knowledge or respect for the past and no regard for the present.

So, where is one to live? Yes, I agree that it is the present that we should concern ourselves with. We must take one step at a time. However, this should not be at the expense of disregarding the past nor to disregarding the future. Afterall, there must be some preparation for the future even though we as yet don't know what it holds for any of us. We know that one day will be our death day. That is the only thing that is certain of the future. How we live our lives now will determine how and what state we will die in. That is why love, honor, truth, trust, etc are so important to have and to practice them. By doing so, we might be able to find some solutions to our present problems. Maybe?
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:23 AM
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Apathy > ignorance.

You sound more neutral than apathetic though, which are very different things.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:32 AM
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I agree, it sounds more like you take a neutral stand, rather than an apathetic one.

Semantics aside though, this is a really good question. I liked Rapunzel's analogy of a fly in amber...dwelling on the past too much only leads to fighting, it seems. We've seen that time and time again, especially in religion. I'm of the mind that while we can theorize and debate over the past, there comes a point where we just have to concede that it comes down to personal opinions, personal interpretations. I feel very much the same as you, Fkeu'itan, that people should generally be kind and decent, and I very much respect others' beliefs. It seems reasonable that people should respect mine, too.

I *am* religious, but that doesn't mean I will push my beliefs on anyone, either. There are parts of my beliefs that hinge on events long gone and in all honesty, I know that my beliefs are based on my opinion of those events. I'm okay with that. Some people disagree with me, and that's fine too...I cannot honestly say that I *know* I'm right, so I stick with what I believe and will respect others' differing opinions. It isn't worth burying myself in the past over.

Like you said, the present and future are just as important (and yes, I do believe they are). I guess what it boils down to for me is that the past is certainly fascinating and we can learn a lot from it, but if it gets to the point of creating fighting, it's time to move on. There is a time and a place to let the argument die. Look to the now and the future.

Just my opinions, of course. We should never need to be afraid to speak our minds.
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