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Old 01-04-2012, 10:19 PM
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Does anyone know the na'vi words for Grandmother and Grandfather?
In the movie I did notice Neytiri knew the english words for them when explaining the last shadow to Jake...Irayo ma frapo...
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:12 AM
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A kinship system has not been released. We would need to wait on James Cameron to reveal the kinship system before words can be made. (Not every culture has the same kinship system as you and I.)

So the answer: The words for grandmother and grandfather do not exist.....yet.

EDIT: Also, what does "shrang oe" mean? O_O
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:28 AM
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Unfortunately, the Na'vi kinship system is "Cameronian territory" and Paul Frommer (the language creator) is leaving it up to James Cameron to figure that out before he comes up with the words. There have been many requests for them, but until Cameron gives the okay we won't be getting them.

However, you could say "father's father" - "sempul sempul" for a grandfather on the paternal side. "Sempul sa'nok" would be "father's mother" - and it works the same way for the maternal side. "Sa'nok sa'nok" = "mother's mother" and "sa'nok sempul" = "mother's father".

Edit: ninja'd Tirea, how legal is this structure? I've seen it used before, but maybe it isn't as accepted as I thought?

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That's the construction I've always used and seen used. Never been told it was wrong.

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Edit: ninja'd Tirea, how legal is this structure? I've seen it used before, but maybe it isn't as accepted as I thought?
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That's the construction I've always used and seen used. Never been told it was wrong.

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It's technically legal. What's wrong with it?

EDIT: besides the thought: what if Sempul can only mean the father of the speaker, and to say "Father [of me]'s father[of me]" it would be like some weird thing to say that. But I have a feeling that it wouldn't be like that. I feel like "Sempul sempul" can suffice for now to say grandfather, the father of the father., etc as you put them all. I feel (for now) that the same principle could be used for other family members (until we get the actual words):

'ite/'itan sa'nok tsmukan (super longwinded way to say cousin)
sempul tsmuke (aunt, father's sister)

and so on.

DOUBLE EDIT: If they have easy words for Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, son, daughter, how much different can their kinship system be than ours? If you just extend that right there, you get the same system as we use. meh.
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DOUBLE EDIT: If they have easy words for Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, son, daughter, how much different can their kinship system be than ours? If you just extend that right there, you get the same system as we use. meh.
Yeah, that was my first thought. Since there's father/mother, saying "father's father" etc. can't be actually wrong, even if it turns out in the future not to be the very best way to put it; much like in English.
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mispelled..sorry...Shrung oe
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DOUBLE EDIT: If they have easy words for Mother, Father, Brother, Sister, son, daughter, how much different can their kinship system be than ours? If you just extend that right there, you get the same system as we use. meh.
They wouldn't necessarily have the same definitions, because e.g. they consider the biological father's brothers to be "fathers" as well.
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They wouldn't necessarily have the same definitions, because e.g. they consider the biological father's brothers to be "fathers" as well.
Fascinating. I never knew that.
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mispelled..sorry...Shrung oe
I still am not sure what you mean.
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mispelled..sorry...Shrung oe
Please don't tell me you're verbally butchering Na'vi fu ikranl oey yasyom ngati ;P

Anyway, I can see you most likely meant to say srung oe. The correct way to say "help me" is srung si oeru.
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Please don't tell me you're verbally butchering Na'vi fu ikranl oey yasyom ngati ;P

Anyway, I can see you most likely meant to say srung oe. The correct way to say "help me" is srung si oeru.
HRRH nice.

OHHH See, that's what I thought at first but wasn't sure. I would have expected "Srung si oer" or whatever.
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