Na'vi Sexuality - Page 3 - Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum
Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum
Go Back   Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum » Avatar » Pandora

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 01-18-2012, 03:45 PM
Niri Te's Avatar
Ikran Makto
Niri Te Is studying Na'vi REALLY hard
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Salt Flat, Hudspeth County, Texas, USA
Posts: 758
Default

You don't need a tswin to achieve tsayheylu. Is does not have to be a isolated act, it can be a lifelong state of existence with the one who makes up the other half of you.
Niri Te
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Eana Unil's Avatar
One of the People
Eana Unil - layona tivawm.
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: My mind & Pandora & Germany
Posts: 217
Default

Well, I guess that's the definition of "mating for life", because:
Quote:
When an appropriate mate has been selected (which can take many years), the male and female Na'vi will connect queues to create an emotional bond that lasts a lifetime. [...] A single instance of this bonding ritual leads to a life-long pair bond.
Source is (again): Na'vi Mating Practices | Pandorapedia: The Official Guide to Pandora | Own AVATAR on Blu-ray & DVD Now!

Like we all learned from the movie.

But I just wanted to focus on the rational/biological side of it a bit more.
__________________

Join the LearnNavi Discord channel
Kifkeyl oeti fneyku. 「鬱」

Last edited by Eana Unil; 01-18-2012 at 03:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01-18-2012, 06:24 PM
Human No More's Avatar
Toruk Makto, Admin
Human No More has no status.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In a datacentre
Posts: 11,748
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eana Unil View Post
(which means that some Na'vi do like many humans do, they have sex/they do Tsaheylu "just for fun", not only for reproducing)
It makes sense, they keep their population stable. There are humans who do this too, just not enough of them...

Quote:
(When there is even homosexuality, why does a Tsahik always have to be male? Because as mentioned here, the Olo'eyktan of the Ikran-coast-ish-Clan is female)
There's no reason either has to be one or the other. Mo'at is female, but it may well be a male tsahik and/or female olo'eyktan at a different time in history and in other clans.

Quote:
(Na'vi mate for live -> are monogamous but practise physical sex with different Na'vi than the one they're "bonded to", wth ^^)
There are some humans that practice varying forms of such arrangements too - I'm not sure how I feel about it really, but it's people's right to do what works for them

Their sexuality seems relatively human-like, but there are some higher animals on Earth who also exhibit the same behaviours (dolphins and some primates), even sex for pleasure rather than reproduction, so it seems relatively common in beings with sufficient intelligence.

Quote:
Though I really wonder what Na'vi genetalia might look like (biological/anatomical interest, of course No, honestly, just because of that). If you watch the movie you might notice that the spot where human males have got their "wiener" the Na'vi appear to be kind of "flat". (At least Jakes Avatar)
Which makes me ask ... the question just mentioned... (don't wanna tell my detailed thoughts/assumptions on that because I don't know if such concent would be welcome here, due to forum rules [kids inside the forum, no NSFW-stuff] etc.)
Discussion of this type is fine.
Well, we know they have them - the physical side is probably similar to Earth animals, as having 'excess size' all the time would be problematic.


Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorcraftbc65 View Post
You don't need a tswin to achieve tsayheylu. Is does not have to be a isolated act, it can be a lifelong state of existence with the one who makes up the other half of you.
Niri Te
Tsaheylu-like exchange of information, perhaps, although I'd say tsaheylu is fairly well defined by the physical act being a part of it. It is very true though, people can come to the same level, it just takes much longer, while the Na'vi have a biological shortcut to it that allows it much more quickly.
__________________
...
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-18-2012, 06:49 PM
Eana Unil's Avatar
One of the People
Eana Unil - layona tivawm.
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: My mind & Pandora & Germany
Posts: 217
Default

Well, I just skimmed over the thread here and wrote what crossed my mind.

Quote:
There are some humans that practice varying forms of such arrangements too - I'm not sure how I feel about it really, but it's people's right to do what works for them
Of course, I totally agree. My "wth" was not meant as a "wth, how can they blargh and stuff", but more as a "wth, interesting that JC and crew have had thought this far regarding background-info for the Na'vi".

Quote:
Discussion of this type is fine.
Well, we know they have them - the physical side is probably similar to Earth animals, as having 'excess size' all the time would be problematic.
Yeah, that's kind of what I have thought of. I assume that it might be similar to the anatomy of cats (exept for the spikes, and yet the Na'vi were designed to be kind of cat-ish...) or dogs for example.

Quote:
It is very true though, people can come to the same level, it just takes much longer, while the Na'vi have a biological shortcut to it that allows it much more quickly.
I know that some people are blessed with a relationship/experiences (you know what I mean, my English is crappy today, sorry) like that, but I honestly doubt that they could ever reach the same level as Na'vi are able to reach;
Quote:
The intertwining of queues, called “Shahaylu”, creates a state of unified body consciousness in which both parties access the physical sensations of the other.
http://www.pandorapedia.com/navi/appearance_behavior/navi_mating_practices
implements (to me, at least), that Na'vi people can directly feel or sense what their partner senses.
Humans can do that too, of course, but not in that direct neural kind of way, because they simply cannot connect their neural systems to each other. Maybe some day but not yet.
__________________

Join the LearnNavi Discord channel
Kifkeyl oeti fneyku. 「鬱」
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 01-18-2012, 07:30 PM
Human No More's Avatar
Toruk Makto, Admin
Human No More has no status.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In a datacentre
Posts: 11,748
Default

I meant more mentally/emotionally in terms of just through communication, obviously not physical senses
I can't wait for he day when humans can do that though
__________________
...
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01-18-2012, 07:48 PM
Eana Unil's Avatar
One of the People
Eana Unil - layona tivawm.
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: My mind & Pandora & Germany
Posts: 217
Default

Yeah, I know/that's what I've interpreted But I think that humans can't reach even this compared to the Na'vi, because I imagine the sensual/psychological/emotional/mental connection to their own partner is just on a level (after they have "mated for life") which humans are never able to reach.
I mean, don't wanna bore you with that, but me and my boyfriend, for example. We know each other for 9 years now and are "partners" for like 7 years now. He is really that which others would call "my soulmate". And I can imagine that this (what we have) can go/grow even further. But I will never know what it feels like to feel/sense what he feels/senses, because I can't connect this directly to him, I will never be able to "slip into his skin". I just can imagine and assume what that would feel like, regardless to how connected we are to each other in all other ways imaginable.

Well, on the other hand, I don't know how I will feel/think about this topic in 20, 40, 60 years, so I just can tell from the point of view I have now.
__________________

Join the LearnNavi Discord channel
Kifkeyl oeti fneyku. 「鬱」
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Niri Te's Avatar
Ikran Makto
Niri Te Is studying Na'vi REALLY hard
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Salt Flat, Hudspeth County, Texas, USA
Posts: 758
Default

It can grow in time. Tee, (Ateyo te Syaksyuk), and I have been together for 19 years. We finish each others sentences, if one of us is in a different part of the house, and hurts themselves, the other immediately "feels it", and goes to where the other is, and asks, "are you alright?". We can tell if the other has a headache coming on, we can sense it. It is as if each of us is half of a single entity.
You are right, it was not instantainious, but it steadily grew from the moment that we first met. It CAN happen with Humans.
Niri Te
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01-18-2012, 08:11 PM
Eana Unil's Avatar
One of the People
Eana Unil - layona tivawm.
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: My mind & Pandora & Germany
Posts: 217
Default

I know what you're talking about because I have the same (at least I know every thing you mentioned here at first hand) with my boyfriend. But that is still not what I meant... and I'm afraid I won't be able to explain it any more detailed today, for I'm exhausted as hell... ^^
So, nevermind
__________________

Join the LearnNavi Discord channel
Kifkeyl oeti fneyku. 「鬱」
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 01-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Moco Loco's Avatar
Dandy Lion
Moco Loco is a lion in a low place
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 2,911
Send a message via Skype™ to Moco Loco
Default

So much of this is speculation, but thanks Eana for bringing up that article and highlighting some facts. Whether or not such a bond is possible for humans, the na'vi have it instantly and without much effort (comparatively).
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 01-19-2012, 12:00 AM
Rainbowhawk1993's Avatar
Taronyu
Rainbowhawk1993 flies on the wings of freedom, hope and liberty
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 404
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eana Unil View Post
It was mentioned here that sex (physical mating) is kind of a sacred act to the Na'vi. Well, I kind of doubt that. I totally agree that Tsaheylu (neural/psychological "mating") is a sacred act, because Na'vi are monogamous, they mate for life.

Did you guys never read the Pandorapedia-article about that topic? ^^
Na'vi Mating Practices | Pandorapedia: The Official Guide to Pandora | Own AVATAR on Blu-ray & DVD Now!

To me especially interesting to read about was

(which means that some Na'vi do like many humans do, they have sex/they do Tsaheylu "just for fun", not only for reproducing)
&

(When there is even homosexuality, why does a Tsahik always have to be male? Because as mentioned here, the Olo'eyktan of the Ikran-coast-ish-Clan is female)
&

(Na'vi mate for live -> are monogamous but practise physical sex with different Na'vi than the one they're "bonded to", wth ^^)
&


Very interesting and illuminating to me (although I have always supposed most of this info).


Though I really wonder what Na'vi genetalia might look like (biological/anatomical interest, of course No, honestly, just because of that). If you watch the movie you might notice that the spot where human males have got their "wiener" the Na'vi appear to be kind of "flat". (At least Jakes Avatar)
Which makes me ask ... the question just mentioned... (don't wanna tell my detailed thoughts/assumptions on that because I don't know if such concent would be welcome here, due to forum rules [kids inside the forum, no NSFW-stuff] etc.)
Nice find there never thought that nearly forgotten site would be updated. I find alot of hte new facts intresting and informative.

As I obsurved from the first time I watched the film, sex is sacred to the Na'vi culture. With the mating practive to seel the relationship between partner, love is a very strong element in the na'vi culture and that shapes a big part of Na'vi sexuality.

The post that said that sexual activity outside the bonded pair is not uncommon was informative to me as well. That means that the na'vi have more freedom in their disires but their culture creates some standards for themseleves basicly.

The way I see it, sex is basicly a form of connection to eachother and to their spirtuality as well. In our society, most people want to go to bed with someone they don't know to have a very quick orgy for the day. With the na'vi, as with many anceint cultures, sex is used to connect to the body and spirt of the inviduals and is practiced in a very sacred mannor amougst eachother.

I mean, can you see the difference when you compair Jake and Neytiri's love scene to dumb sex scenes from some other movies? You can deffinatly tell even withother the tsuelu that connection to the partner's sprit was in play with the practices.

Do you agree?
__________________
Rainbowhawk1993 flies on the wings of Freedom, Hope and Liberty
"Truth is never given to you. You have to go out and find it."

Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 01-19-2012, 01:35 AM
Human No More's Avatar
Toruk Makto, Admin
Human No More has no status.
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In a datacentre
Posts: 11,748
Default

I think you'd be surprised - most people really do not want someone random without anything past that point.
__________________
...
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 03-13-2012, 09:32 AM
Taronyu
redpaintednavi has no status.
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 471
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niri Te View Post
Well, ma tsmuk, we will either have to wait for James to SHOW us in the upcoming two movies, or we will have to come up with our own little realities in different role playing groups. We have one on LearnNavi where a Samoan pilot for the rebel forces on Pandora that are fighting to drive the last RDA sympathizers of the moon or dead, and a short Na'vi are starting to date. (How's THAT for pushing the envelope)? Bu the way, Trudy is badly burned, but alive in that "Reality".
Niri Te
Reminds me of Swedish Sci Fi writer Bertil Maartenssons novel Virgin planet where the human, male protagonist have a hot relation with a female cat from the tropical Pandora like planet Catworld. In the prequel The golden Leap it goes even more advanced since one cat male, called Kairru has a relation with both a human woman, Jenny, and the female cat Auirr. Jenny is also together with the human male Michael who in his turn has a relation with Auirr.


Virgin planet

http://www.las-en-bok.com/jungfrulig_planet2.pdf

The Golden Leap

http://www.las-en-bok.com/det_gyllene_spranget.pdf

http://www.google.se/url?source=imgl..._EYJZfynesSBGw

Last edited by redpaintednavi; 03-13-2012 at 04:30 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 04-18-2012, 07:15 PM
Cyvaris's Avatar
Tsamsiyu
Cyvaris writing...maybe.
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Not in Kansas
Posts: 513
Default

You people scare me.
__________________
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings;
Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:
We murder to dissect.

Enough of Science and of Art;
Close up those barren leaves;
Come forth, and bring with you a heart
That watches and receives.

William Wordsworth
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 04-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Clarke's Avatar
Karyu
Clarke wants his own Avatar.
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Scotland, 140 years too early
Posts: 1,330
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redpaintednavi View Post
Reminds me of Swedish Sci Fi writer Bertil Maartenssons novel Virgin planet where the human, male protagonist have a hot relation with a female cat from the tropical Pandora like planet Catworld. In the prequel The golden Leap it goes even more advanced since one cat male, called Kairru has a relation with both a human woman, Jenny, and the female cat Auirr. Jenny is also together with the human male Michael who in his turn has a relation with Auirr.


Virgin planet

http://www.las-en-bok.com/jungfrulig_planet2.pdf

The Golden Leap

http://www.las-en-bok.com/det_gyllene_spranget.pdf

http://www.google.se/url?source=imgl..._EYJZfynesSBGw
Well, you can attach the trappings of pretty much any genre on to wish fulfilment if you really want to.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 04-18-2012, 11:59 PM
Hapxtu
allroock123 has no status.
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 196
Default

From the Na'Vi wiki , It is known the Eywa has a say in mating and will make it apperent if the couple should not be together during tsyheylu ,Na'vi mate for life , I would assume Na"vi allways tsyheylu when they mate, from what I have read it may be imposable for them to mate without doing so given there neural physiology my require it , Only James Cameron realy knows,And I wont even try guess on the other questions.
As allways before the trolls run me up a tree, "The Na'Vi are the fictional creation of James Cameron"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Visit our partner sites:

      pandoraworld.ru



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:44 PM.

Based on the Planet Earth theme by Themes by Design


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
All images and clips of Avatar are the exclusive property of 20th Century Fox.