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Old 03-14-2012, 08:54 PM
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Does anyone know about the great sorrows or the last four. Or has anything ever been mention?
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:48 PM
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Nothing has really been mentioned, although there are vague mentions in the ASG of occasional problems and warfare between clans at some point in the past.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:40 PM
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Since Toruk Makto is seemingly a global thing, I'm personally wondering what could be so catastrophic that he would be needed, apart from aliens invading.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:35 PM
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Thanks Clark, I do apreciate your time and answer
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:15 PM
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Perhaps this will be elaborated on in the novel... whenever it'll come out... I'm afraid, JC didn't take a notepad down with him in his mini-sub...

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Old 04-09-2012, 10:22 PM
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Clarke, what exactly makes you think toruk makto was global (aside from the possible assumption that everything is global because of eywa, which I find annoying)?
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My assumption is global, or mostly global.

"He brought the clans together in a time of great sorrow"

Brought the clans together, to me, means most or all the clans, and with ikran, and toruk. It's not impossible to travel the whole of pandora and unite them.

But what the sorrows were? From what Neytiri says, I don't think it was a conflict against the clans otherwise she might of said. "He brought the clans together to end the great sorrow." Maybe it could be famine, disease. But I have a feeling that It could be something we find out in the next instalment.

JC said that lines were put in the movie specifically for sequal purposes. This could be one.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:48 AM
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My guess ,(and honestly Avatar is Camerons Dream) is a inter-tribal war , though Eywa would probbly frown strongly on such behavor, if the Na'Vi of that time could listen to what she had to say, "The time of great sorrow that brought the clans "Together" sure sounds like something drove them apart, In our culture its often our root "tribelism" instinct that makes us mistrust others , and build a fear based sociaty.I strongly suspect JC Based the Na'Vi and issues portrayed in Avatar on real world conflicts and issues "We" face and relate to , running under Avatars "fantasy shell" I could take an educated guess but only Cameron knows for sure.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:18 PM
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It is hard to imagine a conflict among people who could BOND and share emotions/thoughts. So call me naive and idealistic. Perhaps it is common among all cultures to experience jealousy and imply inferiority. ("My tswin is longer than YOUR tswin")
I just read Jonathon Swift's Gulliver's Travels. Mostly it is a political satire. The docile Lilliputians found something trivial to quarrel over, Which end to break a hard boiled egg! Historically, American Indian tribes warred over hunting grounds, mostly. A lot of marauding also occur to "acquire" horses and women. ;( ATEYO
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It is hard to imagine a conflict among people who could BOND and share emotions/thoughts. So call me naive and idealistic. Perhaps it is common among all cultures to experience jealousy and imply inferiority. ("My tswin is longer than YOUR tswin")
Understanding someone doesn't necessarily mean you agree with them. Also, as you mention, resources are finite, so no matter how good your empathy is, someone is going to lose out.

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("My tswin is longer than YOUR tswin")
One of the many jokes I heard just after watching in 2010 was that the Toruk is noticeably bigger than ikrans. Apparently, this means that Jake is compensating for something.
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It is hard to imagine a conflict among people who could BOND and share emotions/thoughts.
Humans can bond by language, culture, stories and share emotions and thoughts. Yet they voluntarily refuse to do it with some others which then are enemies. IIRC the NAVI dont bond physically to each other unless they are really a family, so the interconnectedness is more based on a common culture and on the connection to Eywa. But Eywa "does not take sides", so if some clans for some reasons would want to fight with other clans, I doubt that Eywa would really be the one to prevent it, as long as there is no danger of the NAVI wiping themselves out. In that case, she might send a Toruk, I can imagine.
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One of the many jokes I heard just after watching in 2010 was that the Toruk is noticeably bigger than ikrans. Apparently, this means that Jake is compensating for something.
Reminds me of the horrible brain bleach inducing moment from when I went and saw Avatar with my family.

Jake rides in on Turok-Mother (59 at the time) turns and whispers in my ear.
"Is it just me or did Jake's loin cloth get longer now that he has the giant red dragon?"

MY BRAIN! I can't KNOW these things!
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